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[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 days ago (15 children)

Americans will get a rude awakening if they think Europe will just lay down our arms because they say so.

If the orange one wins, that's a wedge into the divide between us.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I'd imagine we will see France expanding their nuclear program or the EU as a block.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Nuclear programs are expensive and only useful in cases where things are so bad you are willing to end the entire world - including yourself. I'm not completely against France expanding their nuclear program, but I do think most of their effort should be focused on not letting things get that bad in the first place and that means enough conventional defense that they can defend themselves.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Sure! However the whole of Europe is currently under the nuclear umbrella of the US. If trump comes back, the US will have lost their ability to be relied upon. Meaning our own nuclear deterrence is the only option. The whole US presidential race is possibly already a signal that that horse has fled the barn, so it might happen regardless.

Price wise you don't need 5k ICBMs to function. A few dozen of the modern types suffices.

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