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I'd like to think that adults can make their own decisions regarding the safety of their lives.
We're talking about people, not numbers and if owning a firearm is legal for someone to do so, I'm going to recommend that they do if they feel it is necessary and are willing to take the necessary precautionary measures as well as complete training with regular practice because these are dangerous weapons.
It's like if someone tells their spouse that they won't do laundry because they can't operate a washing machine then they probably shouldn't be driving a car.
Negligence will always result in some horrific accident but if an adult fears for their life, make your own choices, if negligence is one of those choices, you should've thought about that when you were afraid someone was going to shoot you.
Punishments for gun-related incidents resulting from negligence should be much higher.
People are numbers. Thinking you will be the exception to statistical realities is a fool's errand. And it would be all well and good if the only people who suffered from the myriad gun deaths in this country were the people who bought the guns, but that's not the case. They are also endangering their families and neighbors. It is just objectively true that you and the people around you become less safe, not more, the moment you buy a gun.
As someone who nearly killed myself with a gun and was only stopped because I was too depressed to fill out the paperwork to buy one, my life was directly saved by gun control. If I had lived in a state where buying a gun was easier, I would be dead. If I had still been living with my dad who owns guns, I would be dead. And I am part of a hated minority, just like the people you seek to protect. The statisical reality is that people like me are still more likely to kill ourselves with guns than to be killed by bigots, and moreover, that having a gun on you does not protect you from bigots. It only gives them something to take from you and use against you. Adding a gun to a situation only ever benefits the most violent and unhinged person in that situation.
Every state purchasing in a store (every FFL) requires you to fill out paperwork [wait times may vary]. There is no mystical stores in some random state that sell guns without forms/paperwork. It's a federal requirement. Even as a CCW in AZ, I still have to fill out a form even though I can take the gun home that same day (I have no wait time).
Private sales in every state doesn't require documentation.
There is no difference here that I'm aware of for ANY state to the two above statements.
Unfortunately, there are no statistics that actually show how many gun defenses are successful each year. So you cannot say this without lying through your teeth. Some sources CLAIM to have this information... but likely don't have the full data set. The CDC used to publish this information until pressured to take it down. They had estimated between 60k and 2.5 million "gun defense" events a year. The CDC will also say that we average <50k gun deaths per year(suicide being about 25k) in the USA. 60k>50k... which make you wrong just from that data alone. Once again the problem is we don't know if "death" was an outcome of the "gun defense". We also don't know what that number really is between the 60k or 2.5mill... or something else. But the fact that with what we don't know you're wrong... and with what we knew you're wrong... You're just wrong... Statistically and logically.
To be clear, it wasn't "you have to do literally any paperwork" that stopped me. It was the sheer amount of paperwork and hoops you have to jump through in my state to get a gun.
If anyone is lying here, it's you. Literally just google it.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2763812
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M21-3762
FFLs are required to do the same paperwork Form 4473 and the forms required for the following NICS check (or your CCW in states where the CCW includes a background check). Once again... it's federal. How little you know about the process shows your biases though if you're so willing to speak out against it.
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Which is not your claim of
Which insinuates that you're more likely to kill yourself and defend yourself with a gun.
Alright... next one...
Correct. The goal would be to de-escalate. Make the criminal run away. The goal of owning a gun isn't to kill intruders. It's to level the playing field so that you aren't taken advantage of. This once again doesn't match your statement.
Next one...
Does not make any comparison to defensive uses of guns... at all. Actually quite disingenuously... it specific targets cases where cohabitants shoot each other.
Your statement is
Statistically this is either dubious at best to and outright lie at worst.
So... Once again... Please address the question I asked. Stop trying to flood me with papers that don't address it. 50k, which is the number that the CDC cites as total gun deaths per year in the USA (Cite1, Cite2, Cite3) is a lower number than 60k-2.5million (cite1 would be the CDC itself..., cite2, cite3. How is is that with these two numbers, that your statistics are right?
I think... and I'm not trying to be mean here... you're uneducated on the matter or you have a personal grudge whether against guns or the group of people who tend to carry them. But your "statistics"... just don't bare out to reality. You cannot simply equate these two things and make the claim you did. There is sufficient studies and evidence out there that show otherwise. You're specifically taking studies that aren't covering your statement and trying to apply them to yours.
Before I block you, I am simply going to drop this image from this article. I was mobile earlier, so my sources may not have been the best.
Oh, and this one is just for funsies: You have more success in not losing your property if you use literally any object other than a gun to defend yourself.