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Fuck a ceasefire, END APARTHEID!

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (13 children)

No.

Subordinate your position to the line of the organisations in leadership. Support for Palestinian resistance IS supporting the line that they themselves have, and in the current moment they were calling for a ceasefire. Organisations are better placed to make correct decisions on strategy.

If calling for a ceasefire does not require you to express your position on support for or against the resistance then you should utilise whatever position works best in whatever context you have in order to call most strongly for that ceasefire. Compromising your calls for ceasefire by taking up a position on the resistance that doesn't suit the context doesn't really help them.

But also yes, end apartheid.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I mean let's be honest a ceasefire is just a good demand tactically. The 2014 BLM movement shot itself in the foot by demanding police abolition since that's just not a policy that can be enacted. Unrealistic demands just stifle movements and lead to burn out.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

BLM is more complex. That movement fundamentally couldn't have kicked off the way it did without being radical, the very moment you switch to "make the police better a little bit" you'd have sucked all wind out of the movement because black people who have suffered at the hands of the police would not have participated, they hate them and do not see it as fundamentally repairable. And they're probably correct because the country isn't reformable and was built upon a fundamental foundation of their repression.

You're right about burn out eventually setting in on movements that can't achieve their goals. But this is where zooming out and looking at things hollistically is necessary, the act of performing struggle caused a great deal of cultural change in attitudes to the police. It should be viewed as one of many battles in a string of battles that leads to something eventually rather than a failure in isolation.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

I mean, it’s not because of the demands that blm failed, with all the moderation in 2020, they got equally dicked in concessions

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