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[–] [email protected] 60 points 5 months ago (3 children)

So we’re starting to get to the point where its theoretically possible for computers to get real organic viruses? “Sorry boss I cant work today my computer caught Covid and coughed on me so now I have it too :(”

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And that's how BioSkynet starts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

There was a documentary about this awhile ago which was pretty terrifying. They basically go into how you can essentially "grow" computers to augment reality and human perception. Pretty crazy. "eXistenz" was the name I think. I believe Jude Law was the narrator or something, I don't remember.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I'm positive that David Cronenberg had no idea what a video game was when he made that movie

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Are you seriously ill, but don't want to leave a ton of medical debts to your family?

Then donate your brain tissue to BrainCloud™! Instead of costing your family a lot of money, you might make them Millionaires* and also reduce CO2 emissions of world leading AI applications! Leaving a better world for our children!
And who knows, maybe you will even enjoy thinking about chat bot responses in weird nightmarish ways for the rest of what might seem like an eternity.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Oh God, imagine your braincells being used to mine crypto.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You ‘pute 64 bits, whaddya get?

Just ‘nother load for your instruction set

Satoshi don’t call me cuz I can’t go

I sold my soul to the crypto bros

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (3 children)

IIRC these organoids also die after somewhere around 100 days of hypoxia, because they have yet to be able to construct a proper circulatory system for them.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

So basically a first trimester abortion. Will these be available in Texas?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Oh, a CPU that straight up expires? A product that comes with enshittification built in from the start? Corporations' mouths are watering as we speak.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

In about a month lemmy will discover that human beings die and will complain about the enshittification of life.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Enshittification - a pattern of decreasing quality.

Why life expectancy in the US is falling.

Declining Health-Related Quality of Life in the U.S..

The enshittification of life is real.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Pff, the enshittification of life would be if it just kept on going. Thankfully the misery will end at some point.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

This is still experimental. There’s not even the slightest glimmer of a product in this yet.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That didn't stop everyone from jumping on GPT, either.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Pfft, like that ever stopped them.

“Early release here we come!”

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

It's not a product yet in part because it dies in 100 days.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

also they only feel pain suffering for every second of their miserable existance. They welcome the cold embrace of the void.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

this reminds me of a story about someone who couldn't talk but they had to scream, i think it was called, "the guy who stubbed his toe in the library"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Darkness…imprisoning me…all that I see…absolute horror

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Is this legit? This is the first time I've heard of human neurons used for such a purpose. Kind of surprised that's legal. Instinctively, I feel like a "human brain organoid" is close enough to a human that you cannot wave away the potential for consciousness so easily. At what point does something like this deserve human rights?

I notice that the paper is published in Frontiers, the same journal that let the notorious AI-generated giant-rat-testicles image get published. They are not highly regarded in general.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They don't really go into the size of the organoid, but it's extremely doubtful that it's large and complex enough to get anywhere close to consciousness.

There's also no guarantee that a lump of brain tissue could ever achieve consciousness, especially if the architecture is drastically different from an actual brain.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (11 children)

Well, we haven't solved the hard problem of consciousness, so we don't know if size of brain or similarity to human brain are factors for developing consciousness. But perhaps a more important question is, if it did develop consciousness, how much pain would it experience?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Careful. Get too deep into that and people will have to admit lesser animals have forms of consciousness.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Believe it or not, I studied this in school. There's some niche applications for alternative computers like this. My favorite is the way you can use DNA to solve the traveling salesman problem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_computing?wprov=sfla1)

There have been other "bioprocessors" before this one, some of which have used neurons for simple image detection, e.g https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/1396377?casa_token=-gOCNaYaKZIAAAAA:Z0pSQkyDBjv6ITghDSt5YnbvrkA88fAfQV_ISknUF_5XURVI5N995YNaTVLUtacS7cTsOs7o. But this seems to be the first commercial application. Yes, it'll use less energy, but the applications will probably be equally as niche. Artificial neural networks can do most of the important parts (like "learn" and "rememeber") and are less finicky to work with.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Are homeless people going to start mysteriously disappearing now

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Don't need the homeless. You can pluck a hair, donate your blood, or even take a plug of your foreskin if you have one, to generate the neural stem cells from iPSC, the cell type they use in this process.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_pluripotent_stem_cell

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

If this works, it's noteworthy. I don't know if similar results have been achieved before because I don't follow developments that closely, but I expect that biological computing is going to catch a lot more attention in the near-to-mid-term future. Because of the efficiency and increasingly tight constraints imposed on humans due to environmental pressure, I foresee it eventually eclipse silicon-based computing.

FinalSpark says its Neuroplatform is capable of learning and processing information

They sneak that in there as if it's just a cool little fact, but this should be the real headline. I can't believe they just left it at that. Deep learning can not be the future of AI, because it doesn't facilitate continuous learning. Active inference is a term that will probably be thrown about a lot more in the coming months and years, and as evidenced by all kinds of living things around us, wetware architectures are highly suitable for the purpose of instantiating agents doing active inference.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Turns out the origin of borgs was actually earth!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Some cells get taken from you and turned into stem cells.

These are converted into brain cells, and nerve cells, on a chip that represents the scaffolding, interface, and connectivity.

Then the whole 'organ-device' gets surgically installed into your brain, and through gene therapy, the brain cells grow into, connect with and network into your existing tissue.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

And then every time you sneeze, you end up ordering another case of diapers from Amazon.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They have to use STEM cells because other kinds of cells are bad at math.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

What's the FLOPs of this thing? Without this crucial info, we can't know if it's useless for training AIs or not. Training cost so much in terms of energy because the machines they use are beasts in terms of performance.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Article claims they are human brain organoids, doesn't say where the source of them is. Are these grown, like most other neural computing systems, or are they actually taking matter from a human brain?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Organoids are largely homogenous lab-grown mini-organs.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

"brain organoid" sounds like an insult.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Organoids is such a fun word to say.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm concerned about what kind of hardware is sold on tomshardware

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We're getting closer to the Imperium of Man every day.

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