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[–] [email protected] 129 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Both probably give the same exact water at the same temp.

[–] [email protected] 87 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, Steve called the manufacturer about that, and they're supposed to be sending someone out this month. Maybe next. Our deepest apologies for the inconvenience.

No, the system won't allow us to discount or refund.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That's my favourite line, "I'm sorry we can't do that because of how our system works."

"But you're ripping me off and that's illegal."

"I'm sorry, the system won't allow me to refund you."

"So you're admitting that your company built a system that rips people off and breaks the law as a matter of policy? You realise that's worse, right?"

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It's just finger pointing to avoid liability.

"Oh no, that's not our fault! It's these guys who did it, so talk to them!"

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Or they warm the tap water

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

If the water is cooled with a low-energy method like a Peltier cooler, the heat has to go somewhere.

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[–] [email protected] 124 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (8 children)

Even if it was free, opening an app to get water is bullshit.

Edit: Let the record show, I was referring to the chilled water.

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[–] bestusername 90 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Jokes on you; I torrent my water!

[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Zozano 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

A torrent of water, if you will.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

I just cry myself a river.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 5 months ago (5 children)

If this was downtown or at parks I can kinda see them providing something. Knowing this is likely at a university library or building its just removing access that was already there.

[–] [email protected] 128 points 5 months ago (11 children)

Fuck that. If it's downtown or at a park the fucking municipality can afford $1.99/mo

We need more public facilities. This privatization bullshit can kick rocks

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago (4 children)

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=%28specific+heat+of+water%2912.8K%281+gallon+*+water+density%29

200kjoules of heat must be removed from a gallon of water to cool from 55F to 32F (out of the ground down to pleasant drinking temperature).

Assuming a COP of 2 for your compressor (conservative), that's 100kjoules or 1/36 of a kWh.

High price for a kWh of electricity is $0.25 in the US. So for your $2 subscription, you can pay for 8kWh per month or enough to cool 288 gallons of water or roughly 9 gallons per day. More than anybody would rightly use.

What a fucking ripoff.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 5 months ago (6 children)

I feel that the majority of innovation occuring in modern capitalism is confined to two key areas:

  1. Regulatory capture and market control.

  2. New ways to mindfuck people into overpaying for goods and services.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

Productive innovation ceases the moment growth has reached its peak. It is then replaced by counterproductive "innovation", such as finding new ways to nickel and dime your customers, reduction in quality or dismissal of employees. All in the name of simulating "growth" to please the shareholders.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (6 children)

The entire country has incentivized its top minds to developing ad tech bullshit. Like literally our astrophysicists are working at Stitch Fix instead of doing astrophysics.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Reefill.com isn't even a registered domain. I call horseshit.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 5 months ago (3 children)

You are right, it is not a current valid domain. It was an Indiegogo crowdfunded project though, and I am guessing it failed.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 5 months ago (18 children)

https://pitchbook.com/profiles/company/178262-56#overview

Went under about two years after the crowdfunding. Guess people didn't want to pay $2 a pop for chilled and filtered tap water.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/reefill-ditch-bottled-water-for-good#/

There are several articles about it and an indiegogo, if fabricated a lot of people bought it few years ago.

[–] melbaboutown 42 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

That's how corporations nickel and dime you. I resist subscription services almost completely (I pay for cloud backup storage for my phone in case of breakage/theft and that's it) because as well as being a constant financial drain they inevitably degrade and enshittify, often even removing things you paid for

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

"Your water subscription has increased by $1, thanks for being our customer. Reminder, creation of public fountains and bottle sharing activities are punishable by law!"

You sigh and delete the email. They send out the same message every month.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 5 months ago (17 children)

I would rather take the tap water than trust the maintenance of whatever filter they put in there.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Is it still a thing? The website doesn't go anywhere and I can't find the app. All I can actually find are a few articles talking about how ridiculous it is to have a $2 subscription service on water fountains.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I found this indiegogo link from 7 years ago which gives a little more background. Its not quite as horrible as the picture suggests, I think.

There's some FAQ and Comments that give some background, like this one:

Rier Esor 7 years ago I’ve been asked by a few people: why do we need reefill water stations when there are water fountains around NYC (if you look hard enough!) and we >all have tap water at home? What’s my best answer?

Patrick Connorton 7 years ago PROJECT OWNER We're also working with New York City and the Port Authority to map free public bottle filling stations around town -- these are usually in or near >parks but, unfortunately, need to be off six months a year to avoid freezing and can be challenging to maintain. Reefill is a natural complement to >these fountains, filling in the gaps in parts of town where it is impractical or cost-prohibitive to install a water fountain.

So it doesn't sound like these were replacing existing free water fountains, but instead offering free (and paid) water in places never offered before by generating revenue from the paid water to support the installation of any water (including new free water) in places that had none before.

It also looks like the project died in 2019.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

All I could find were articles from 2017 and I haven't heard of it before, so I'm gonna say it's not a thing any more.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I'm not going to hate the company for trying, but if you're a building admin using these instead of Oasis or Elkay fill stations you're a huge fucking asshole.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

But with all the money they're saving, they'll be able to renovate the admin building for the first time in two years, or have a nice dinner for the big donors, or give even more money to the football team.

Edit: assuming this is a uni. If not: won't someone please think of the investors?

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Product designers are supposed to understand pareidolia and will often intentionally put faces into their designs. Some designs look happy, others like sports cars can be made to look aggressive.

The top of this design looks like some combination of angry, sad and disappointed, which I like to think is intentional.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Drill a fucking hole in that motherfucker and siphon it off. Or just drink tap water. It's fine. At least where I live. But still drill a hole in there to fuck with them.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I am not often in favour of shooting people.

For legal reasons this concludes my statement.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Property damage of this is valid. especially if you can give people water for free next to it.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (3 children)

It's a failed crowdfunding campaign, their last tweet is from 2017

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (2 children)

when you see shit like this you are morally obligated to make them lose money

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Pay for the PRIVILEGE of not drinking contaminated water!

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

Why are people trying to justify this, the city can put in chilled water taps like those Elkay ones for super cheap. Then when shitty businesses like these go under, you aren't left with a useless machine with no other water source nearby. Relying on private entities for basic things like this is just objectively a bad idea if it can be at all avoided.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I am astounded by the amount of irrational hatred in here towards what is essentially a T-junction pipe...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's the fact that they're charging for something that should be available at no cost.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (2 children)

"Water is, of course, the most important raw material we have today in the world. It’s a question of whether we should privatize the normal water supply for the population. And there are two different opinions on the matter. The one opinion, which I think is extreme, is represented by the NGOs, who bang on about declaring water a public right. That means that as a human being you should have a right to water. That’s an extreme solution. The other view says that water is a foodstuff like any other, and like any other foodstuff it should have a market value. Personally, I believe it's better to give a foodstuff a value so that we're all aware it has its price, and then that one should take specific measures for the part of the population that has no access to this water, and there are many different possibilities there."

Peter Brabeck-Letmathe served as Nestlé's CEO from 1997 to 2008

What an asshole

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