Ship travel in the age of sail was more accommodating. At least you can walk around and shit.
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It takes so much longer though. I don't think I'd prefer the travel time of a ship over the sea over the temporary discomfort of a flight.
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Only up on the poop deck though.
My father's generation thought planes would just get faster and faster and by now we'd be able to fly from NYC to Tokyo in 40 minutes
Concorde wasn't far off that sort of speed. But it was too expensive. Such speeds will probably return in some form one day.
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Meanwhile, me aboard a train: "Oh you can get whole massive meals on restaurant cars these days? No thank you, I'll get a coffee and one of those overpriced naff sandwiches." (Well, the Finnish train sandwiches are pretty good, but they are hella overpriced. Like 7€. WTF.)
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And the “free” pretzels are also sponsored with an ad on the packaging.
Because what are you gonna do? Take a boat to cross the Atlantic? Like you're some puritan running from Anglicanism?
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Because Americans have no class consciousness
Well for me it was money, I flew Spirit
They used to be also fascinated by plastic.
I bet their smiles would not last long realizing that the 5g bag of pretzels has 2g of plastic (and that's just the tip of the plastiberg).
Look at you, flying on rich planes with that much space in front of you
capitalism. next question?
actually, don't bother! just assume the answer to why things suck is always capitalism unless you find hard evidence to the contrary.
Planes are three times faster, five times longer range and 95% cheaper per mile, in real terms, than those early days.
The consumer was given the choice and they chose this. Honestly, air travel is great.
Yes, capitalism sucks. I hate being nickle and dimed for hand luggage, lottery tickets, snacks, hidden booking fees and all that shit. Some gentle regulations would be really nice, just to curb the excess.
saying consumers were given a choice is a bit generous.
also standing planes incoming.
They were and still are given a choice. I can fly from London to New York on British Airways first class or Easyjet. Consumers consistently choose the cheapest headline price.
You can also buy a Ferrari over a Honda, doesn’t mean everyone can afford it making it not a choice at all.
Virtually no one could afford air travel prior to the 1960s, that's a very large part of my point. It got affordable in the 70s and very affordable in the 80s.
In the UK, at some point during the 80s, it became normal for almost every single working family to get on a plane and go somewhere sunny once a year for two weeks. Every year. Minimum.
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Look, I'm basically a communist most of the time, but I don't think this is a good take. I'll admit I don't actually know the numbers but I know air travel is expensive and not great for the planet.
It could be better, sure, but I would argue that cramming people in and offering the barest of amenities is a good thing when it comes to air travel. Yes, it sucks to be in a plane but it sucks to pollute the air too. It's good that more people have more travel options now, and it's good that we can get more people to more places with less fuel than ever before. We shouldn't bitch about that, we should accept it as a necessity for getting what we want: to arrive someplace far away in an amazingly short period of time, allowing us to see more of the planet than any of our ancestors, while minimizing the harm as much as we can.
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this post seems kinda bourgeoisie to me. i literally don't give a fuck because we have way bigger problems. if you're here to bitch about the amenities on an airline flight, well, i guess that must be a nice problem to have.
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Because we don't own the means of production.
Don't forget that enshittification creeps into the real world as well