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Trump is not only bad for the country, he's bad for the Republican party and Conservatism as well. Trump has kicked out nearly every sane Republican and continues to attack anyone who even barely stands up to him.
Worse, Trumps attacks and mood is random. He's an angry demented old man who backstabs any movement the moment it seems politically advantageous to do so. Be it Right or Left, Trumps overwhelming plan is this chaos.
We cannot even vote for a Speaker, write up a Platform or attract good candidates like Jon Huntsman anymore. We are 10+ years unable to pick a Speaker of the House or support them. Is this really the party of the future?
The sooner Trump is defeated, the sooner we can rebuild the party and start doing good for America again.
We cannot remain the party of Fiscal Responsibility through massive Tax Cuts anymore. We need a real plan, a real political identity and not one that immediately contradicts itself outside of Trumps cult of personality.
I am no fan of conservatism but it's nice to see a level headed conservative in the wild. Since we're stuck with this two party bullshit I would love to see a functional Republican party who can compromise with Democrats and move the Overton window left.
Actually my real dream is for the party to implode, and the Democrats become the conservative party and then there's an actual left party as the other. I'm sure you'd like the conservative Democrats. They're like the Republicans were 40 years ago.
I always wonder - these "level headed conservatives" - voted for Trump anyhow right? Were they frantically writing letters to their representatives asking them to stop turning their party into a racist authoritarian laughingstock these past few years?
Nah. I'll die of old age before I could be convinced to trust a Republican, and I will never again miss any election, from local on up, to ensure that I vote for anyone, anyone at all, who isn't a Republican.
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Trump may be the worst, but he is not the only bad egg in the GOP. If the GOP was a car, it would have been deemed totaled years ago. Time to start over.
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Good. This is some bipartisanship I can appreciate. I hope Mike Pence endorses her, he could give a statement like "y'know, there was this one day they all wanted to hang me..."
Mike Pence is fucking gross though. Didn't deserve to be hanged but still.
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Vice presidents keepin it real
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He can’t talk to Harris unless his wife is with him though.
Excellent idea. Many of us disagree with Republicans, but many Republicans aren’t villains who want a bigoted dictator in the White House. They don’t want to be condescended to, either, and that’s fair. Nobody likes that.
The best way to win them over is with other Republicans who want to preserve democracy.
The best way to win them over is with other Republicans who want to preserve democracy.
That's a funny way of saying "former Republicans." By definition, anyone who wants to preserve democracy can no longer be a member of the Republican Party because they are directly at odds with 100% of its platform and ideology.
A lot of people have a political party woven into their identity. It's hard for them to accept that their party is no longer aligned with their views. If they still identify as Republicans but oppose Trump, they might just avoid confronting the cognitive dissonance by staying home or writing in a candidate for president. Plenty of others will pinch their nose and vote Trump because they just can't escape seeing it as R vs D.
By appealing to them as Republicans, the Harris campaign is able to basically say that it's ok, you don't have to choose between being a Republican and voting against the insurrectionist would-be dictator.
You're not wrong, tactically speaking about the current election, but at some point afterwards we've got quit enabling their denial and start helping them through the rest of those stages of grief.
Yeah, that’s what it’s become. A lot of people who voted for Trump the first time won’t do it again, because they thought the warnings and predictions were exaggerated. Oops.
Now, we’ve got a Republican Party that’s painted itself into a corner, because they let themselves become overrun by fascists. Former Republicans need to come to terms with that.
Now, we’ve got a Republican Party that’s painted itself into a corner, because they let themselves become overrun by fascists.
I mean, yes, but also no: it's not so much that they've "let themselves become overrun" and more "willingly given in to their basest desires."
Just give em the benefit of the doubt that they are really just conservatives, who may be misguided, but who are generally still operating in good faith, unlike the Trumpists simply looking to seize power and abuse it.
Just give em the benefit of the doubt that they are really just conservatives, who may be misguided, but who are generally still operating in good faith
That's always been a fiction. The word for people who believe in things like democracy and the rule of law has always been some variety of "liberal."
Conservatism -- yes, true conservatism -- is an unbroken thread from monarchists, to Confederates, to NAZIs, to Trump.
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They don’t want to be condescended to, either, and that’s fair. Nobody likes that.
An epiphany the party may one day have regarding progressives.
Excellent idea. Many of us disagree with Republicans, but many Republicans aren’t villains who want a bigoted dictator in the White House.
How many of them voted for him anyway? How many of them were taking action within their party to stop the slide into an authoritarian clownshow? I can think of 3, and it hasn't gone well for them.
Elon and Zuckerfuck already working overtime to block any mentions of Republicans for Harris.
Is this similar to the Lincoln Project? They were really active in 2020 to get Republicans to vote for Biden, and they had some anti-Trump ads playing around this year’s RNC.
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Ffs!
I'm 41 and if I live to a hundred, the DNC will still think every election takes place in 1992 where there was tens of millions of votes in convincing moderate Republicans 🤦
"Almost but not quite in a fascist cult" is not a big or realistically persuadable demographic! 🤦
There are people who are blissfully ignorant about politics without being the rabid cults that you see in the media. Maybe this can reach some of them?
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They already made "White Guys for Harris" tho.... Badump bump pish!
I get that this is a joke, but part of the point of that group is that we (white guys) are not exclusively Republicans and/or Trump supporters, we just don't know how to speak up in a diverse group without fulfilling the expectation of condescension. So we keep quiet and let women, people of color, and lgbtq folks do the talking while we act as allies, votes, and window dressing. White Guys for Harris is attempting to dismantle this order and say, we're not all shitheads and we do fully support an inclusive future.
As a white guy, Harris is the first candidate I've been excited to vote for in my adult life.
I think it's important to show that not every white guy is a misogynistic racist. Especially in today's political environment.
If it's like Kyle Rittenhouse, Im gonna bet MAGA bullies the hell out of them and really enjoy the popcorn over their stupid infighting.
Kyle already flip-flopped back to ProTrump.
Democrats fall in love, Repugnicunts fall in line.
He knew where his mealticket sits because he sure as fuck doesn't have any other skills and is probably unemployable in a normal job.
Trump did unite the country after all.
and exposed all the corruption....that he brought.
How ironic would it be if these last eight years leads to massive governmental reform and a renewed interest in checks and balances. He would have drained the swamp like he claimed but by being such a ridiculously terrible president and exposing for all to see just how corrupt and morally bereft the modern repugnicunt party is.
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