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[–] [email protected] 83 points 2 months ago (3 children)

c/dataishorrifyinganddepressing

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

Seriously! I had no idea so few people voted.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Very sad indeed, I will try my hardest to recuperate the DNV score.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

If it makes you feel any better, the trend looks like more people are voting as time goes on.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 months ago

I would also like to see a similar graph for mid-term elections. Do the winners even get 10% of the eligible votes?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (4 children)

The percentages for 2016 only add up to 97, and the 40% bar is longer than the 41% of 2012.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe 3% voted for a third party, and because they aren't shown the other bars were expanded to fill the entire space

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They could've done a little green sliver like they did for 1980.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Just like the sub on reddit, the data in DataIsBeautiful apparently doesn't actually have to be beautiful.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Maybe a really dumb question and I'm not from the US but why did Hilary lose in 2016 when she had more votes than Donald Trump? That doesn't really make any sense to me

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Because we have this stupid thing called the electoral college. Basically, each state has a certain number of votes, based (roughly) on population (its a whole other issue), and the states' votes are cast for whoever won the most votes within their state (barring rogue electors and the few states that use proportional representation for votes.) Theres a total of 538 votes, and all that matters is winning more than half of them. This has made the winner of the popular vote lose the election 5 times (though in 1824, it went to the house of representatives for a final decision because no one had a majority.)

To summarize: not a dumb question, VERY dumb answer.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's funny that even even if the weight was distributed equally by population (it isn't), it's not based on number of people voted. so, in theory if only one person votes, their vote still has the same weight as the whole state.

That's my understanding anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Also to clarify further, the founding fathers created the EC specifically to override the popular vote, because they were afraid that land owning men might be too poorly educated to actually make decisions about our "democracy."

Really let that sink in. They probably would have opposed the expansion of voting rights to anybody.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Because in the US democracy every vote is equal, but some are more equal than others.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

We were supposed to be a representative democracy with one rep for every 33,000 Americans. When voting for president each state gets one vote per rep and one for each of their two senators.

A while back some assholes decided that 33,000 is too representative and we should have a fixed number instead. So now it turns out that Wyoming should get one rep for every 58,000 Americans so their votes are worth far more than a Californian's.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

People don’t vote, states vote. Semi proportionally to number of people, but it isn’t linear. This means that California gets 50 some odd votes and they all go to the democrats most of the time but Wyoming gets 3 (the minimum) despite it being smaller than many cities in population and they all go to the republicans basically every time. That’s why swing states are a thing that exists and matters. Back in the 00s Florida and Ohio were in the sweet spot of big and could go either way (insert joke about my girlfriend) but now they’re both considered firmly Republican states, meanwhile Wisconsin lost its Republican status and now swings as did Arizona. When people talk about texas possibly becoming a swing state as a big deal this is why, it doesn’t matter who gets the popular vote, texas is so big and serves as a counterweight to California and New York for the republicans that if the democrats win Texas without the republicans picking up several states that they never get, all of the swing states, or one of the two big hitters of the Dems then there’s basically no chance for them to win.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I've never understood why there is a voting system where the one with most votes can lose.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They usually justify it by saying it's to prevent the tyranny of the majority (two wolves and a sheep biting on dinner).

But a case could be made that it's a way to keep the elite entrenched.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The founders were a gentleman's club. Which is basically a fraternity. They made up rules that made sense to a bunch of frat boy farmers with enlightenment libraries.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn’t call them farmers. Partly because a variety of wealthy professions were represented and mostly because the ones who called themselves farmers didn’t do any farming, they forced enslaved people to farm for them.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

It was a compromise so the smaller states were willing to join the United States. Same reason there are two senators for each state.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Also worth noting: Republicans have only once won the popular vote since the turn of this century, in 2004 for George W. Bush's reelection, when he had both the incumbent advantage and was still riding the post-9/11 patriotism wave

or put another way, the democratic candidate have won the popular vote on 5/6 presidential elections this century

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

when he had both the incumbent advantage and was still riding the post-9/11 patriotism wave

And slandering John Kerry, actual veteran and protestor, with "swiftboating" horseshit.

W's media goons were some of the slimiest motherfuckers ever to darken Washington's marble halls.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's funny because here being incumbent usually is a disadvantage because you get blamed by all the crap that's happening, even the little that isn't their fault.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

The median voter is woefully uninformed and largely votes on vibes and name recognition. Many fail to understand exactly what kind of power the president actually holds.

Personally I blame this in part on the death of journalism. Local newspapers keep going out of business which removes any accountability for local authorities, and the only way you know of anything happening is based on Facebook gossip dripping in all of the biases the individuals who are there when something happens. And the local news that still exists keeps getting bought up by larger entities that may or may not be politically motivated to try to sway opinions and set the conversation across the country. Or worse in some cases independent news outlets are simply threatened into not investigating or reporting on certain topics

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Only a 7% increase after that nightmare.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

7% is enough to swing any election in history (the part of it that is shown on the chart)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

I think even more horrifying is that more people voted for Trump in 2020 than in 2016

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That orange party sure does win a lot of elections.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

This makes me kinda ill. Like I almost cried a bit looking over these numbers. And I’ve seen some shit.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Should split this out by electoral college votes/states where the 'did not vote' could actually have made a difference. This is great info but also a bit misleading cause votes in swing states have more of an effect than increasing votes in deeply blue or deeply red states. The US president is not selected by a national popular vote. See on the chart how W Bush won the election but Gore had the popular vote, due to how the electoral college works.

Not discounting that more people should vote. I wish there were a national holiday in the US for everyone to get out and vote. But some votes matter more than others, depending on where you live, and this chart misses that nuance.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There is a map like that out there, if I remember correctly like 40+ states had “did not vote” win…

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There should be a tax incentive for voting or something

[–] Zagorath 31 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Step 1: make voting compulsory

Step 2: move it to a weekend

Step 3: easy access to prepoll or postal voting for people who can't make it on the official day

Bonus step: change voting system to IRV, or even better, to something proportional like MMP or STV

There you go. America has a functioning electoral system.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Or do it the other way around, the amount of money that the government can spend is limited by voter turnout.

Clearly if you can't get people excited enough to vote for your policies, you don't have a mandate.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Quick reminder: In Switzerland, we have the ability to vote on everything. We get educated like that from the early childhood on, that voting is important and necessary. Even with that concept, the average voter participation is between 40-50%. So even if you might think a lot of people are not voting - yes, true, but you will never be able to increase it much above 50% IMHO.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In norway, the lowest voter turnout we've ever had is 75.4%

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Fuck me, that’s awesome. Then Switzerland and the US are clearly doing something wrong. What is the average voter participation in Norway and how often can people vote?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Australia has mandatory voting which is an interesting one. Quick search tells me the last turnout was nearly 90%.

[–] dgriffith 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's mandatory voting in Australia, but you just need to turn up and mark your name off the list and you won't get hassled to vote. But I guess, once you're there....might as well vote.

And the fine for not voting is $50 or so, and the electoral commission will take most reasonable excuses and waive the fine if you don't make it.

So it's more like a, "come on guys, do your civic duty" kind of thing as opposed to MANDATORY, and 90-something percent of the voting population in Australia just rolls with it.

Bonus: At most polling places you can usually get a "democracy sausage" for a small donation to a local cause, so most people will wander in just for that.

Edit: voting is on a Saturday, so most people don't have to take time from work to vote. There are legislative provisions that say that employers have to allow people time to vote if they work Saturdays, and polling stations are open from 8am to 6pm, which generally allows a window of opportunity for most people to vote without disrupting their day too much.

There are also postal votes of course, which can be ordered via phone/letter/internet and sent to your address. You can fill them in and send them back early, so there's no real reason to not vote.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How many are illegible due to prior convictions?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

The chart says it's only looking at eligible voters

But looking it up shows around 4.6 million were disenfranchised in 2022 because of convictions. In semi-good news, it's gone down recently in part because more states are starting to allow people to vote after they've served time. So if people keep pushing in other states, it can hopefully keep going that way

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

There should be a No Vote tax, make it just $1–10 or something small. If you vote, you don’t pay it. Use the money to help pay for administering the elections (wouldn’t cover everything, but it’d help).

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Should we fix the system so that people both want to and can vote for candidates they want?

No, that wouldn't be American. Make something punitive that can be disproportionately leveraged against the poor and marginalized community neighborhoods.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

That sounds like unnecessarily punishing low income people, in my opinion it would be better to give the 10$ to those who vote.

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