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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 months ago

It really is such a perfect juxtaposition of toxic vs. healthy masculinity.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago (3 children)

A month ago, i didn't even know the name Tim Walz. Now, I'm absolutely enamored. How the hell did the Dems have someone like this on a shelf? Are they hiding more?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (5 children)

What im confused about, as a non American, is how Tim seems to have overshadowed Harris. I heard about Tim way more than Harris. Is it sexist? Is it just that his more charismatic? I've never seen so much press about a vice president candidate before.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Traditionally the VP is the person that goes on the attack so the Presidential candidate can be above that... and be presidential.

Trump flipped it since he has nothing except for making childish attacks. But that's not actually the norm.

Social media has a tendency to elevate people going on the attack, so Walz doing the normal VP stuff is being elevated more than Harris is staying above it for the most part.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Was Harris on the attack during Biden's first campaign?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Sure. But Trump was kinda sucking all the air out of the room, so no one saw it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Based on their DNC speeches, Waltz is a much better public speaker than Harris.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

it's also mere novelty, as harris has been the vice president for years now

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I've literally never heard of Harris doing anything before being nominated. There's no comparison.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

well, certainly, if all goes well the vice president isn't a particularly interesting position to talk about outside out of the country. it'd be like if we heard about germany's vice chancellor - the only reason we'd get that news in America is if something went very wrong

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But we go back to my question then, is Harris really so boring that most news since he was nominated are about him, her name being mentioned in passing? Could be my bias, as I don't actively follow American politics on purpose.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As an American: delightfully yes. Harris and Walz are running on the promise of peace and being generally charming and charismatic in the way any other country might expect of a politician, in contrast to the memory of Trump spawning two or three new disasters a month

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Here's to a boring 4 years then 🍻

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

may you live in boring times!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It’s because he’s an Everyone’s ideal grandpa / father

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

It's because he's the most progressive politician to get within spitting distance of the Presidency since Al Gore.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Yup. Having to constantly defer to dead slave masters because they're "founding fathers" and always wanting some old fuddy duddy as president.

There's a tendency towards political daddy issues everywhere, but the US is more extreme than most countries.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Walz seems to have more “progressive cred” than Harris does. Before Biden dropped out, I don’t think there was alot of enthusiasm for Harris (myself included), as she’s been a pretty lackluster VP, just really hasn’t done much of anything. Until recent times though, this was pretty par for the course for VPs, I don’t think anyone expected much from them, but in the last 20 years or so we’ve been having some “consequential” VPs (Cheney, Biden, Pence), so now she seemed like an under-achiever in comparison.

Walz is seemingly a real progressive who is a down-to-earth, folksy, midwestern Dad type, just a really upstanding guy, so I think the more activist elements of the Left are excited about him being on the ticket in a way they wouldn’t have been with just Harris. Though I don’t know that either has really taken a hard stand against Israel, so that doesn’t sit well with alot of folks.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

https://casar.house.gov/

I'm a fan of my house Rep. Here's a recent interview, try to ignore the clickbait title: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UVlKSdUNu_M

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Same, I keep hearing good things about him. I mean the guy was a chronic Dreamcast player for awhile, there are dozens of us! What’s not to love?

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago

There's nothing masculine about MAGA. MAGA is consumed by people who think being crass is strength. These people know nothing about strength. They have never needed it because they have never faced adversity themselves. The ultimate failure of privilege.

All these people have left is larping some fictional version of masculinity and strength.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

He makes me want to get a rifle and start practicing shooting, and also advocate for common sense gun reforms. Well, I'm already advocating for that, but it'll have more impact if I own a rifle.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

special ed

You know, before this wouldn't bother me. But after the treatment Tim Walz's son, Gus, has received for crying on national television with pride in his father, I find this really rubs me the wrong way.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

When u right u right