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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 hours ago

whatever. best of luck palestinians who are still in existence in this moment.

[+] [email protected] 27 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Go ahead then. Explain the difference without making shit up.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I guess the Israeli far right preferred Trump for no reason.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 minutes ago

Notice how you didn't actually give a reason?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Why wouldn't they? You made yourself fascists by chasing him but that doesn't change the fact that he was there before you. Of course they prefer him. Just like the American fascist voters you failed to swing.

Being a loser doesn't absolve you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

One mostly exports the genocide to the third world

The other wants to bring it home.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Go ahead then. Explain the difference without making shit up.

Task: Failed

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Now, now. They made a distinction. It was just between the value of white lives and brown lives.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Of course, ignore all the rhetoric of trump and is ilk so you can call the other guy racist. That certainly seals the argument

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Please take a step back, take a few breaths, and try to be coherent to the context you're replying.

If I were you I would either recant my position or be VERY offended that I was accused with merit of being a white supremacist. You singled out as a distinction that the bad things would happen here. To people like you. Fairly explicit that should mean something more than the lives that aren't yours.

This is definitional chauvinism.

Wanna take another crack at replying now?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

What is there to be more coherent about? You boiled down that guy's response to be about skin color

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It was.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

if that's the only thing you noticed, then who's the one being racist here?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Just for context, you're a white supremacist trump supporter type, right? That's how you envision yourself?

Because I've literally never heard the "pointing out racism is the real racism" line save from them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

never was. cant support the pos even before P2025 made the news. being pan and fucking lebanese, there's virtually nothing about the guy that i would be willing to support, short of dying of stress and old age before he can take over again.

racism is present in all parts of the political spectrum, but I guess its hard to tell when you only see the world in black and white.

by the way, your elitist tone is pretty annoying

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

If you don't want to be talked down to, get out of the gutter.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

nice comeback, think up that one yourself? since you didn't really respond to the rest of my comment, i'm assuming you couldn't reason yourself to a proper rebuttal.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Tit for tat. You responded to nothing I said this entire time. I'm supposed to respond to your comment that ignored my criticism of what you said by turning the conversation to who you are?

Fuck off.

i’m assuming you couldn’t reason yourself to a proper rebuttal.

Back to you, shithead.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

do i really have to draw the lines between my responses and yours?

If I were you I would either recant my position or be VERY offended that I was accused with merit of being a white supremacist. You singled out as a distinction that the bad things would happen here. To people like you. Fairly explicit that should mean something more than the lives that aren’t yours.

This is interesting as you seemed to do some impressive mental gymnastics to claim i was a skinhead or something. i didn't respond to it because I had no idea how my first comment suggested i was racist. and, knowing how you probably think, wanna use this rhetoric to somehow prove that I am

It was.

talking about your hasty conclusion to Regal's claim which brings up 1st and 3rd world countries without mentioning skin color. that dude said absolutely nothing about race.

Just for context, you’re a white supremacist trump supporter type, right?

I already told you I'm not, and went into further detail into why, including bringing my own race into record since you seem to be quick to judge things based on race

If you don’t want to be talked down to, get out of the gutter.

and how does this respond to anything else in the parent comment other than the very last line, which seems to have touched a nerve?

so, as it seems you're getting a bit heated, imma suggest you do what you told me to do earlier

Please take a step back, take a few breaths

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

why would you waste your time typing all of that out to a critical audience? You said absolutely fucking nothing and filled a page with it.

This is interesting

vapid smarm

you seemed to do some impressive mental gymnastics

REDUNDANT vapid smarm

I was accused with merit of being a white supremacist

Literally the first fractional piece of actual content in your post. And all it did was name the subject.

i didn’t respond to it because I had no idea how my first comment suggested i was racist

Then either ask or shut the fuck up? Do you need to be taught how to talk to people in the first place??

All this boiled down to was "lol I didn't reply because I didn't want to"

So okay? Can we acknowledge that you're being a giant piece of shit and move on?

talking about your hasty conclusion to Regal’s claim which brings up 1st and 3rd world countries without mentioning skin color. that dude said absolutely nothing about race.

Trump racist trope: "It's not racist, it's another country!"

and how does this respond to anything else in the parent comment other than the very last line, which seems to have touched a nerve?

Trump racist trope: "Lol you responded to a thing I said therefore TRIGGERED"

I resent having ever met you. You're an unalloyed detriment.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

wow you got mad! comparing me to trump really shows off your insecurities. are you actually trying to lead us to believe every American has a Caucasian background? Seriously? Because that's exactly what you're implying in the following statement:

Now, now. They made a distinction. It was just between the value of white lives and brown lives.

...in response to:

One mostly exports the genocide to the third world

The other wants to bring it home.

What else could this mean? Someone from a specific country doesn't mean they have a specific skin color. Aren't there other marginalized groups to consider? for instance, the LGBT groups that far-right wingers have been antagonizing here in the US? Maybe its just me, but LGBT groups aren't defined by their skin color or race.

I'm fully aware I'm a piece of shit, but its only because its too easy to point out your oversimplified and flawed logic to get you ticked off for being unable to properly argue your point. man, its like its your first time on the internet.

Now, I will stand by my argument that what you said was reductive and at least a tad racist. Before you rage and reply back pointless insults and comparisons, do me a favor and send this comment chain to someone with a clear head.

Edit: actually, don't bother. This was a good way for me to vent my frustrations on the internet after this shit election, but I'm tired now and do not have the energy to argue with child-like logic anymore. Some day, you'll mature enough to understand how the world works. in the meantime, i'm just gonna ignore the next however many replies you need to send to feel better about yourself. sayonara!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I don't get it. Are you happy Trump won, or...?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (5 children)

No, but I'm still disgusted by the amount of gaslighting we got for the last 8 months. All Harris had to do was make a plan to end the war, but she.. didn't. And some liberals want to call it our (people who didn't vote for her) fault.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago

More Palestinians will die under Trump. More Americans will suffer under Trump. More people around the world will suffer with a Trump presidency. But at least you showed the democrats...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

So, it was worth Trump getting a second term in order for you to maintain your moral purity?

Listen, fuck Harris and every other Dem who failed to condemn the war in Gaza, they all deserve to burn in hell for that.

But did you really get what you wanted out of this?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly. It was a douche and a turd sandwich. Refusing to vote because "they're a turd sandwich" is simply saying "I'm okay with the douche". It's a 2 party system. There are no good candidates. Only one that's marginally better than the other. Not voting is tacitly voting for the worst one.

[–] pupbiru 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

anyone that did not vote kamala is now in part responsible for the inevitable increased suffering that will occur in palestine, lebanon, iran, and ukraine

it really is that simple

[–] [email protected] 1 points 31 minutes ago* (last edited 27 minutes ago)

Not a USAmerican, but by that logic:
Are Kamala, her party and her supporters who couldn't get those people to vote for Kamala also responsible for the increased suffering?

Are they responsible for the people not being convinced that the suffering would be lesser under Kamala?

Did Kamala and party show significant effort and good faith to woo those people?
Or was it the 99% Hitler vs 100% Hitler thing? Asking since most online discourse I saw on it here in lemmy was like that, where they're saying Trump would be worse, instead of saying that Kamala would be better, de-escalate stuff etc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It is your fault.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I'm surprised to see an antinatalist support Harris. Seems morally inconsistent, though perhaps not from a consequentialist perspective. I've been blocking everyone sharing your sentiment, but I don't wanna block one of the few antinatalists here, so I'm commenting instead

Is Harris' loss my fault because I voted for De La Cruz? She could have easily earned my vote, but tried to court centrists and conservative voters instead.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Being an accelerationist makes even more your fault. It is bullshit the primary was skipped, but no progressives even tried to run there so you would have a similar choice.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

For my part, I'm not sure it is, though lack of votes didn't help. The meme is perhaps meanspirited so soon after the painful news, but here's my question, and this is genuine: now what?

Trump will get to pick a bunch of lower federal judges and probably two more SCOTUS judges. What's the way out when it seems to me that he and his jackals control the military, the police, and the judiciary? Seems like a hopeless setup to me.

Harris lost, so what's Step 2?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Step 2 is support third parties

[–] pupbiru 1 points 3 hours ago

and then they continue to get <5% and trump gets another term… then what?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago

I appreciate your answers, but I still don't follow the logic. Thanks anyway.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

How did you think this election was gonna go? You think there was still gonna be enough votes for Harris? Or that by some miracle a 3rd party candidate was gonna be elected?

People with your mindset are just as guilty as the dems are. No weasling out of this shitpile were now stuck in

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Happy that Holocaust Harris ate shit