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As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Let's make this simple.

Elon for example is worth 180 billion. His private jet, which costs $17k/yr to refill, is worth $62 million, or 0.03% of his net worth.

The average person, maybe lower middle class to middle class, is let's say worth about $250,000. If they bought or leased a car worth $45k, that would be 18% of their net worth.

It is probably the equivalent, or LESS than the equivalent of someone in the middle class, buying a candy bar. And they can do it over and over again with no repercussions.

And jet fuel is incredibly pollutant, and billionaires pollute millions of more times in general than the average person.

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/billionaire-emits-million-times-more-greenhouse-gases-average-person

I'm fully in support of these protesters and hope they don't stop.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago

They are legends, they've painted super yachts, blocked private jets, and targeted golf courses to protest unnecessary emissions from the wealthy, which may as well be a paid-group by fossil fuel companies to divert attention from them being the biggest fucking problem.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The wealthy answer will be to have these activists convicted for terrorism for invading an airport

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

The American way

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

This I can get behind.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Golf courses use huge amounts of water. Streams get diverted to water them. The countryside dries up without its water, and then catches fire. It’s not good.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

They also waste an incredible amount of space, during a housing crisis.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In southern Arizona they typically use reclaimed, non-potable water, at least. I wonder if they do that anywhere else?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Oftentimes they do not as it is quite expensive to make many kinds of "grey water" safe enough to be basically touched by golfers all the time. Being in the center of the desert with high water costs, it made sense in Arizona.

Regardless, keeping that much grass alive for such a small number of people to enjoy feels like a misalignment in priories of a local water authority to me. With the general trend towards water insecurities the world over I'm a bit upset with golf courses.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Finally, we have caught up to the orcas in climate action.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Omg, finally..

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

If/when they get caught, this shit is a great use of jury nullification.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fuck ther shit up until they gain a conscience

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well I don't know if them gaining a conscience is realistic. But if doing the wrong thing becomes too costly and inconvenient they might stop doing those things. Well... they might do slightly less wrong things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It'll be cheaper to remove those who make it expensive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They won’t, and it’s pretty naive to think actions like this will cause them to grow a conscience.

Stunts like these are fun in a cathartic way, but not even a mild inconvenience or cost to them. It ultimately yields nothing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I don't, I was exaggerating.

I do think though that it's about time the general public stops being so passive about climate change among other things.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Golf, lol. How are they going to make sales and network? ( and get drunk and basically have the day off. )