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Anti™ • trauma-informed jungian urbanist • @paaunow • CLE advocate • secularist • punk as fk 🇵🇸
What the fuck kind of leftist describes themselves as Jungian? I've only seen that associated with Jordan Peterson cultists.
They could be a Jordan Peterson person. I have a friend who got into an argument with me about how he thought he was "more left" than me when I called Natalie Wynn a liberal, and he also had a period where he thought Peterson was cool. I don't really know how that happened, because the whole thing that made Peterson popular was transphobia and this friend of mine was utterly immersed in trans friends, acquaintances, lovers, etc. But I never really looked into Peterson back then so when he was like "nah he's not what everyone says" i was kind of just like "alright whatever, some random canadian guy isnt a big deal"
anyway, moral of the story i guess is people are fuckin incoherent
I dated someone with similar brain worms. Vaguely anarcho-communist in her ideals, voted for Bernie both times, but her positions were usually reactionary because she only read books about magic. She was suckered into Jordan Peterson because he used big words to talk about the same magical ideas applied to the mind with Jung.
This is a type of person and they are all over the punk scene.
Late-stage capitalist hellworld has gifted burger-humankind with an unnatural level of tolerance for unresolved contradictions
Do We contradict Ourselves?
Very well then We contradict Ourselves,
(We are American Exceptionalism, We contain multitudes.)
Americans are so naturally perverted, fork-tongued and dishonest that they'll make up fake ideologies to trick their rivals and end up tricking themselves with them
Trickle-down, baybeeeee 
maybe they really like Kendricks newest album/ jk
Ill make sure this twitchy ass fed is "trauma-informed" if i ever get handed one of these lmao
love that they open with a label that specifically pertains to their opinion on morally acceptable fanfiction. Unserious person.
This sounds like: "Who listens to Wagner, i've only seen nazis do it." It can be the case, but doesnt have to be.
Sure but if you say you're a Jungian leftist I'm going to start looking for your judas goat opinion. I like Tristan und Isolde, but I'd never call myself a Wagnerite in the same way I would a Mahler Chad because it's so far outside of the modernism that you'd expect from the left. It's a very different intellectual thread coming from very different ideological sources.
myers-briggs in name
of fucking course lol
Even worse than in the bio.
true!
And yet the crux of the advertisement is pure idpol liberalism in service of curtailing the bodily autonomy of others, curious!
And yet for all that they do not mention their race or income, which I suspect are "white" and "high", respectively.
after all, who has the money to actually print out a 100-page full color zine just to "hand out"
Just to save yinz time, the "leftist case" is that poor people have abortions more frequently than rich people and people are poor because of capitalism.
That's literally the whole argument that isn't identical to that of right wing forced birthers.
Prevent capitalism, prevent abortions
Abortion Industrial Complex
also why are all the freaks that claim to be "secular pro-life" begin their bio with their religious denomination, who is it supposed to be tricking?
So she's a conservative, got it.
Holy shit this is one of the most evil things I've ever seen. Half of it is memes, the other half are vague platitudes. There's a part suggesting that people who get abortions should go to some imaginary rehabilitative courtroom to publicly apologize. What. It used a lot of leftist rhetoric and vocabulary to essentially argue for making all abortion illegal. Somehow this defeats patriarchy
Do zines normally suck like this or are there good ones
A lot of Zines are generally pretty cool. An anarchist and often lgbtq bent is part of them. My personal favorite is one titled "Abolish the Restaurant Industry".
Yes.
i remember this, it starts out weak and then just devolves into pasting in memes and tweets, page 2 really says it all
Was that the person who, it turned out, was keeping fetus remains in their home or was that a different anti-abortion leftist?
What might justify killing a person? [pg67]
Them being inside another person's body, when said person doesn't want them there. Among many other reasons.
Castle Doctrine: The conservative case for abortion
oooooh i'm gonna litmus test. i'm gonna gatekeep. i'm gonna do purity politics. i'm gonna do cancel culture.
e: i'm gonna read thru it lol
P1: My questions going into this are: "is this sincere?" and if so "how does someone get like this?" Right away I'm noticing the that they're using the definition of femme which reads "Real Biological Pussyhaver, but I'm actually woke. If I met a butch I'd throw up and cry." This doesn't tell me much, since a lot of actual progressives say this.
P2: Most of this is gibberish. Casual use of the phrase "wombless male body" and "fertile female body."
P3: "Or someone who wants to mock her did." This sounds like an outright admission that this is bait trying to propogate by people shitting on it. Or at least that this person gets bullied a lot. Also why did they censor the word fuck? Is that a joke? TikTok brainworms? I'm putting another tick in the "crypto-christian tract" column. Wait okay Consistent Life Ethic is a Catholic thing, so no crypto- nothin. The arguments are bad and delusional not because they're insincere, but because Christians are incapable of realizing how insane they sound to normal people.
Skimming... most of this is nonsense... I will note that this ugly as fuck "zine" looks like one of those informative instagram or facebook meme accounts. I don't think it's Ironic. You can really infer the creator's media diet.
P18-19: Struggling to wrap my tiny, non-catholic brain around the argument here. They seem genuinely unable to conceive of the idea that a woman might actually want to not give birth.
P21: "If we won these reforms, then free abortion would no longer be forced abortion." This page is starting to sound like an actual argument, which makes it vulnerable to salient questions like "okay, so is abortion not a bad thing in itself? Would you accept the "right to choose" if you could be sure that there was no possibility that a pregnant person is being at all economically coerced? What if someone is pregnant within the capitalist order, but they're a single capitalist not beholden to the demands of a partner, with full access to both adequate childcare and adoption, but they just don't want to create a human life? Is abortion acceptable to you in that circumstance? In fact, I'm not sure if it really follows that if one's choices may be constrained, then they ought to be constrained even further to make sure that they make the right one.
P22: Herndon-De La Rosa is a Republican anti-abortion activist. There's this species of conservative self-identified feminist who advocates for no women's issues and has made a career out of pushing anti-feminist positions as Feminist Actually based on the strength of the argument that she's a woman, and women are feminist. See also Christina Hoff Sommers.
P23: 🤓 ummmm argumentum ad populum much? Not clear on what "economically vulnerable" and "economically privileged" mean in this context. We find out by the second paragraph that this barrage of polling statistics comes from a Gallup Poll, but not what this poll was called, when it was taken, how many people were involved, or what the gender crosstabs look like. I don't think the author has even noticed that they transitioned smoothly from "individual women getting abortions just think that's what they want, because they are being coerced and brainwashed by Capitalism" right into "the unwashed masses know that terminating a pregnancy is economic warfare, and only rich people think abortion is okay."
P24: I'm nitpicking language again, but I'm noticing that this leftist loves the phrase "economically disadvantaged" but never says "working class." I have to assume it's intentionally, but I'm not really sure what it means.
P29: "Hustle fetal bodies" Really starting to sound like James O'Keefe now lol.
P31: Holy fuck these people really have no idea what they sound like
The use of generic reddit meme templates throughout (again, this is a zine in the loosest sense) is really making this start to feel like some kind of baroque bit.
P33: Okay, adoption is also bad. This is one position that isn't usual for anti-choicers, but at least it's consistent here.
P37: Utterly generic anti-feminist "feminist" conservative argument. Women shouldn't try to take mens' roles or mens' power or be equal to them! That's anti-women! By this point I think this person is completely serious, otherwise their arguments would not be this bad. I have to wonder what they thinks feminism actually is.
P38: "Customarily women have held a collectivist attitude." Sure. Yeah. Why not. We're in full on sacred-feminine gender essentialist land now.
P40-41: ???????? IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT PREGNANCY MIGHT NOT BE A DESIRABLE OUTCOME REGARDLESS OF ECONOMIC ABILITY THAT KIND OF UNDERCUTS YOUR OTHER ARGUMENTS. Is the action you're demanding here actually "make abortion unnecessary" or "make abortion illegal"?
P43: Belatedly realizing that the author is assuming that the average male reader is already pro-life, and thinks this is a good first step. He just needs to do it feministly.
I think this person thinks a zine is just a really badly laid out series of tweets
P46: "Nobody wants to have an abortion." I don't think you've adequately demonstrated this yet.
P58-60: These Philosophy 101 syllogisms are very confused. I have no idea what "essential human powers" means. I don't think this means anything if you don't have a specific conception of God, and I don't think they realize this. I'm not sure what they think a social construct is. I think they're really trying to do something here and just failing spectacularly.
P64: "I accept govt expanding the definition of personhood to include animals and corporations" I think this was meant rhetorically, but again it's a particular Catholic brainworm that makes them equate animal rights with corporate rights.
By this point they've abandoned any semblance of logical structure and are just copying off their insta feed
P71: Constant appeals to what is natural. You could kill this person by sending them a link to the Xenofeminist Manifesto
P74: Wendy Simonds' name is misspelled. Her book is Abortion at work. Ideology and practice in a feminist clinic. Like most of the sources used in this tract it is not properly citied.
P89: There are two ways to interpret all the sloganeering that sounds like everdayfeminism.com got bought out by Focus on the Family: either it's a cynical and lazy attempt at laundering reactionary beliefs through progressive language that the writer doesn't really get, or it's very sincere and they just think that radical politics is about having really catchy slogans.
P93: Gibberish. This means nothing. You sound insane.
P94: Planned Parenthood absolutely asks a ton of questions lmao. Like most unsourced claims about human trafficking, I'm going to assume this was made up by an evangelical Q cultist.
P98: Lmao this is how you know they're sincere. They're not trying to feed us any horseshit about how they think there are exceptions where abortion is permissible. Also weirdly for an (i think) Catholic, they appear to be pro death-penalty.
P99: Not for people who seek abortions though, of course not! How could you even think that? Even though they're obviously evil criminals, we can use Restorative Justice to help them heal their sick souls.
P100-101: This is a fucking nightmare. Gilead designed by a Smith student.
P102: Why are you giving advice on "anti-capitalism." I guess I have this question for every radlib, but why can't you say the word communist.
P103: Yes, conservatives are reactionary. They are against progress. Many of them are open about this. They are not confused. They are not mistaken. They are not the unknowing agents of the long arc of history.
P105: NANETTE QUOTE I LOVE WHEN NANETTE FROM NANETTE SAID LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION LOL
P111: NANETTE QUOTE SO GOOD THEY USED IT TWICE
Final thoughts: This fuckin sucked and I regret it
Thank you for your service trudging through over one hundred pages of this garbage
As a Catholic p18 doesn't remotely make sense.
I usually don't support self harm but I upbeared you anyway
"wombless male body"
This person is Deleuzional
i swear we dunked on this last year too lmao
trolley problem = idealism = no materialist basis
The gays aren't sending their best 😔
As a gay, I'm highly disappointed in the results of our latest Five-Year Agenda.
MEN OFTEN DON'T KNOW, DON'T ASK, AND DON'T THINK TO ASK, IF THEY'VE CAUSED A PREGNANCY.
Is it normal to ask if you've gotten someone pregnant, when you aren't trying to? Is this something women want?
Obviously women want different things, but I have never heard of this.
I dunno about you, but I make sure to ask all my partners right after sex. And unlike the bigot who made this zine, I ask regardless of what their genitalia is.
This really made me laugh, lmao. I'm going to start asking my currently pregnant wife this, haha!
"have I caused a pregnancy?", I ask very normal as it's so normal to say.
It's the funniest after oral sex or handstuff
I'll start doing this every time I'm bottoming
Fucking sigh.
Western leftists. They just, you know, do stuff. What it is is anyone's guess. Things like this.
M68040 rules for life: If anyone tries to get you to consider republican opinions for any reason at all, it's a trick