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[–] [email protected] 229 points 9 months ago (9 children)

No matter how expensive a home sim you make, it won't ever get be even a quarter of what an actual entry amateur plane costs to buy and maintain. It's not even the plane itself either, it's all the recurring costs like storage, maintenance, spare parts, fuel, certification fees, taxes, etc. The only cheap flight option for a recreational pilot is bushcraft light planes. And they will still cost more than the sim setup, while you'll only be able to fly it on certain places, during certain weather, at certain times of the year. The rest of the time you'll still have to pay all the storage and maintenance fees. Planes are incredibly expensive.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, you’ll be able to actually use it when life allows you, vs restructuring your whole life around being able to fly.

Now we just need one for where millionaires think their work is saving the world. Apparently the city building sims aren’t sufficient.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Yes and no. I bought a property with a double wide and a 5000 square foot hangar on it located on a private strip. The rent from the double wide and the other hangar spots I rent pays the mortgage and all the expenses related to the property. I own a j3 cub that I have about 30k into that I fly daily in Florida and maintain it myself for practically nothing. Affordable aviation is possible but you have to be very smart about how you go about doing it, and a good bit of luck is involved to get the right deals by being in the right place at the right time.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Oh sure, just go buy a big enough property to have a hanger and a private landing strip on it. Cheap and easy!

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Yes, but I bet that if you break down the accounting it would still be several times the cost of the setup on the photo. Home sims typically don't carry an additional mortgage payment or a lifestyle commitment.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Plus I'm afraid of heights.

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 9 months ago (9 children)

All that hardware and then just.. a chair.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not to mention the Ikea table.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago

They're probably saving up to build a motion simulation rig.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (4 children)

And only one monitor too. Would have expected 3-4 to give a better view.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

Yeah you ain't gonna be buying a plane if you're using the cheapest office chair you found at a thrift store.

Unless this is to help save up for said plane.

Let's leave the chair out of this!

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Most people mention the costs of owning aircraft vs a sim, but there's another possible reason: health. People come in different shapes and forms and not everyone who loves aviation is able to get II or even III medical class. So flight simulation is their only option to be a "pilot".

I mean, on VATSIM (popular aviation simulation network) there's a group of visually impaired people who have made a special interface so they can fly an aircraft even though they can't see!

Simulation (of any kind) gives many people what they can't get in any other way. And as with any other hobby, as long as it's not damaging to other aspects of your life, let people enjoy what they want

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wait, that's super fucking cool. Do you have a link to the way they're able to fly blind?

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The double-standard on display here is just disgusting. Sure, it's perfectly fine to modify your home entertainment system into a fake airplane but I try a little remodeling to make work feel more like home and it's all "security will escort you off the premises" and "we're taking away your pilot's license". Boils my blood.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago

I know, right?

Modified your PC into a flight sim and no one bat an eye.

Modified your cockpit into a gaming rig and everyone losses their mind.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 9 months ago (4 children)

AITA for asking my wife to respect my title a pilot?

I need the opinions of avgeeks and pilots on a matter involving my wife. I AM COMPLETELY SERIOUS AND I NEED HELP. /srs

My wife and I (together for 5 years, married for 2, no kids) have an amazing, happy relationship. I can’t recall a single time we’ve ever argued to the point of a breakup or divorce. This issue, however, is causing me to reconsider the health of our relationship. Since my wife and I have been together, I have worked as a manager for a restaurant chain. I am an extremely passionate aviation enthusiast in my free time. I have spent thousands of dollars on flight textbooks, sim gear, and even built my own a330 setup. I have never actually flown a plane or started flight training, but I have considered it for a long time. Even though my skills are not a career, I still consider myself as adept or possibly more knowledgeable than the average pilot.

That being said, here’s where the problem arises. My wife and I were invited to one of her male coworkers house for a barbecue. My wife is a senior software tech for a Covid startup. She’s worked there since 2020, a lucky catch after she was laid off from her previous job due to the virus. It was my first time meeting many of her now-close coworkers due to Covid and working from home. I had assumed she’d talked about me before, but as we were cycling through introductions I became less sure. We make our way down the line to the host of the party, a new male hire that she has grown platonically close with. We exchange casual conversation and Greg (host) asked what I do for a living. My wife chimes in with “He manages a [insert fast food chain], it certainly comes with some benefits (I’m assuming she’s referring to free food)”, in a voice that implied nothing was wrong with what she said. I very quickly corrected her and told him that I am a pilot. My wife already knows how insecure I am about my job and how I’d much rather be introduced by my hobby. I’ve earned the title of pilot through my 500+ hours on and sim and thousands of dollars put into my craft. I think it is incredibly disrespectful for her not to acknowledge my skills and training. Just because I don’t have the title of pilot on an overpriced piece of paper doesn’t mean I’m not a pilot.

I laughed it off with Greg, told him under my breath that my wife was often forgetful (which I’m sure he’s realized just from working with her). He seemed to brush it off casually. At this point, I’m fuming, but I don’t go much farther than exchanging some nasty glances at my wife for the rest of the night. As we pack into the car to leave, the argument starts. She feels as if I don’t deserve my title as a Pilot because I’m not professional. I told her she is completely insensitive to the work i’ve done and she will never understand what it’s like to study so much. She’s currently on the couch as I type this. Am I really the asshole for asking to be respected?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Lmao how fucking niche but relevant

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 9 months ago (3 children)

That's just a mid-range setup. The real simmers have at least 3 monitors.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago

Monitors are probably the cheapest part of a flight sim setup too

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Real simmers have a VR headset and one of those human gyroscope things that spins on 3 axes.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Man, at some point it might be cheaper to buy a plane.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 9 months ago (7 children)

A plane. A cheap, 2-4 seat prop plane. A full sim rig can fly ANY PLANE and spaceships too!

I am not in any way a sim gamer of any of these sorts. My inputs are keyboard, mouse, or controller. And I suck at everything I play, and I try to limit my gaming time (and expenditures on gaming).

But I kind of get it, you know?

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Some of those things for PC flight sims are straight up real cockpit pieces. Dude is simply buying his plane one bit at a time until he can assemble the whole thing.

I've installed Internet for a dude who had a setup this gnarly. And to top it all off, he lived on a piece of land attached to an aircraft museum. He really loves planes.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

Some people are so dedicated to their hobbies and I love seeing it.

An extended family member of mine hosted a reunion at his house years ago, and he apparently lived in a neighborhood where many people have small airplane hangars attached to their houses instead of a normal garage. It was nuts. You're just walking through a normal-looking house in a normal-looking suburban neighborhood, go through what would otherwise be a garage door, and suddenly you're in a big hangar.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Do you know how much it costs to annual a Cessna 172? You could build 3 of these rigs a year for what the aviation equivalent of a 1988 Toyota Camry costs to maintain and fuel.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Only a single monitor, and then it's not even an ultrawide?

What kind of a low-rent setup is this?

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago

The FAA and similar entities won't let pilots do all the fun and crazy shit they want to do that they can do in sim games.

Try buzzing a neighborhood in your plane, watch how fast you lose your pilots license, much safer doing this stuff in a sim.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 9 months ago (11 children)

Planes are expensive AF to maintain

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'd say good chance this guy does have a plane.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I'd put money that he has at least a small plane. I work in the motorcycle industry and there's a large overlap between pilots and motorcycle riders for some reason. Quite a few private pilots have pretty well set up flight sim rigs at home. Not to this extreme, but most have the basics for running MS Flight Simulator

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

"pilots and motorcycle riders for some reason"

The suicide drive is strong. Also, I blame top gun.

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[–] NigelFrobisher 35 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I’m doing the same with my work from home set-up. I even have a mannequin dressed up as a “boss” who hovers at my shoulder while I try to get stuff done .

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

“boss” who hovers at my shoulder while I try to get stuff done

A cat would also work for this.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Lol first thing I thought of, 4/10, cool control panels, but not even a large curved display

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago

The $20 chair is definitely a statement of priorities and my favorite part of the image.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago

It's not even a full motion setup, you can go way more expensive and still be cheaper than an actual plane

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

Chair isn't even articulated, 6/10 tops, I wonder if he even has force feedback.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Pretty cool with the overhead and side panels.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

Someone posts something kinda cool.

Doofuses of the internet: we must find all the faults to prove how much smarter we are

This is probably a work in progress. And this person may not have the same preferences and priorities as you for their own personal setup.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

just buy a plane

Yeah, I don't think you can get a Mig-29 or a F-16 off e-bay, amazon or craigslist.

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