Germany famously can be trusted with making "stab in the back" claims
this post was submitted on 13 Feb 2024
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US government literally told the public through his current ceo that by aiding ukraine USA is fighting russia without getting his hands dirty. That's one way to stab people in the back.
Don't feed up on the propaganda that producing more weapons and sending them to another authoritarian government is a good thing. Governments do that out of convenience, they don't care about people, they stab on the back their own daily.
Problem is that the only two other options is to either turn a blind eye on what looked like the start of a genocide, or having two nuclear power at open war.
Abandon Ukraine means it put its own wellfare above human rights, in which case Putin would be right to despise the West.
Go at war with Russia would put humanity on risk of annihilation as both side has enough nuclear weapons to wipe it out. Multiple times.
Having the Ukrainian choose their destiny by defending their land, while not ideal, is the only option that the West have to stay true to its ideals. The West populations are not blind to their sacrifices, and as long as they are willing to fight for their rightful territory, so are the West to provide the means to do so.
There's plenty of options such as not trying to conquer the world and waging proxy wars against other nations or as putting money before human lives. The whole west governments gang is supporting genocide in gaza right now, they don't give a shit about people. They profit on wars and seek more of it.
such as not trying to conquer the world
Imagine being so deluded as to try to frame the largest country on earth, Russia, as the victim here. How, according to your world view, have they become so big? Did the now-Russian ethnic minorities simply surrender their lands to be taken over by some Slavs in Moscow?
Honestly, you need to have a 10 minute conversation with a Russian to understand how utterly brainwashed they are. The majority of the Russians are rooting for an imperialist fashist.
Imagine being so deluded as to try to frame the largest country on earth, Russia, as the victim here
indeed, why are you doing it? If you believe anyone pointing out facts is defending russia you are brainwashed on propaganda.
Shitty opinions are not facts.
That governments uses tax money to build weapons designed to invade other countries is a fact. Look at what russia and israel are doing right now and what usa has been doing for the past decades. Politicians ambitions are below anyone nose to see, unless you are naive enough to drink into their lies and believe that ukraine need to be denazificated, that everyone in gaza is hamas and that iraq has weapons of mass destruction.
Care to explain how the US is currently trying to conquer the world when they are at their least imperialistic point in history? NATO isn't an answer, NATO membership is requested by the member country, not forced by NATO (or the US)
@MetaCubed @index
The US political process is so DYSFUNCTIONAL, that Washington is incapable of making even the simplest decisions. Issues are discussed ad nauseum, but action is rarely taken. Much has been made of action taken against the Houthis, but the Houthis are a disposable asset of Iran. "We have taken action against Iran," is a bald-faced lie. Russia has evil intentions towards the USA, but nothing has been done to make them fear real consequences. The USA looks weak ATM.
It's funny. But Trump's not president. That should be Biden
As yes, Biden who famously blocks aid to Ukraine and openly talks about throwing US allies to Russia
You mean Biden, that guy who's been indicted 93 times?
As the leader of a country the president is ultimately responsable and represents the actions of the country.
Trump has been out of office for 4 years.....
How exactly is Biden responsible for Republicans blocking any Ukraine aid that he's trying to get through congress?
That person isn't interested in actual conversation, only in spreading divisive nonsense. I doubt they even understand how the government works.
Congress, how does it work again...
Perhaps read up on how the US constitution actually works.
They'd have no idea what they're reading. They just go with what fox "news" tells them. They're told what to fear, what to be angry about and how to feel. They're pawns and they'll lick the dogshit off their boots.
And yet is still somehow managing to do damage to the reputation of the US. Nobody is disputing the fact that Biden is the head of state or that Trump has been out for four years. It's simply not relevant, mate. The problems with getting aid to Ukraine right now are not coming from Biden and it's crazy to suggest he's responsible for the actions of his opposition.
American's don't have a parliamentary system. The president can exist without the support of the houses. When that happens, like now, what the president can do is severely limited.
Are you just here to be a punching bag for anyone on the left? If so, you're doing a bang-up job, champ
No, I have no real investment in the American political system. I was pointing out the satire in the original photo was misplaced. As people have demonstrated in this conversation most of the interactions have made massive assumptions about why i made my comments rather then addressing my comment.
the satire in the original photo was misplaced
Perhaps you're not aware of the concept of synecdoche,, where one part of something is used as a representative of the thing as a whole. You saw the float and said that it had nothing to do with trump (vaguely true despite the fact that many of his party still answer his beck and call), whereas the float has "republikaner" written on it, which despite not speaking German I can only assume means "republican". So basically the float is depicting the republican party at large killing Ukraine, despite the fact that there are only two people shown.
This float is far from anything even remotely close to "subtle", and yet that guy still couldn't understand the float. I'd say media literacy is abismal but at this point it's just reading.
German here, your assumption is correct
I think it means Republicans, plural, as in not only Trump. Which is an important distinction imo. Trump is just used as an example.
Well you made some irrelevant statements about who's president and then suggested changing the satirical image so that it would no longer make sense. It seems pretty well placed to me and doesn't need to be changed given that it's attacking the group of people currently withholding US aid to Ukraine. Not sure what conclusions you were expecting people to make based on your comments.
But Trump’s not president
And this float isn't about the president. It's about republicans (represented by Trump) attacking Ukraine aid in the House. Biden is not a republican.
No, trump has gotten his house lackeys to stop any bill that gets aid to Ukranians. Purposefully misrepresenting what is going on is very ~~MAGA~~ SVR of you.
And the fact republicans take their marching orders from citizen trump just shows how far gone they are.
What does SVR mean?
Google says it's a Russian intelligence agency.
I would have also liked Simping For Russia, SFR.