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[–] [email protected] 104 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (9 children)

Requiring the installation of analog AM radios in automobiles is an unnecessary action that would impact EV range, efficiency, and affordability at a critical moment of accelerating adoption,” said Albert Gore, executive director of ZETA, a clean vehicle advocacy group that opposes the AM radio requirement.

I cried. They install like big screen TVs now instead of console with buttons and it is the radio which is expensive and eats the battery?! Please note, an amplifier and speakers are already in the car, so they just talk about the radio receiver, which in old days could run couple of days or more with AA batteries.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They are lying through their teeth

It's probably because am radio hurts their profit somehow

Fuckers can design in an option to turn the hardware off when not in use and use more power efficient components and programming

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago

They have to put more shielding around the motor so it doesn't leak a bit of electromagnetic, because they can interfere with the Am radio. And shielding costs money and weighs a bit more. So they rather not have a built in electromagnetic radiation detector.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There was an arstechnica piece that was a bit sooner (it’s passed the house). They said 82 million people “use AM radio”. (Most of that is probably while driving.)

The argument for it is basically, that AM-radio listeners are declining and that means stations are closing up. If they remove them, AM radio peeps “loose” the largest segment of their audience.

The “concern” is that the public warning system relies on 77 of the 4.5k stations to broadcast warnings.(emergency and weather/hazard radios)

The issue here is that it’s basically bullshit. They could just buy the towers as a stop gap until better systems come into play. (Though to be fair, as old as it is, it’s pretty much the best for that kind of alert. Might be permanent.) and its really doesn’t matter- AM radio is dying; at least as entertainment ornmews services.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I think it would be very difficult and very expensive to build enough towers to cover states like Alaska. A lot of people listen to AM radio there.

I'm guessing people will just start putting separate radios in their cars and use a bluetooth connector or something.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

I’m guessing people will just start putting separate radios in their cars and use a bluetooth connector or something.

That's fine and all, but it will just become a hobbyist thing like CB Radio...

And since funding for NPR has been significantly cut again and again by Republicans over the past few decades and is propped up almost entirely by listener contributions, it wouldn't last a year without mandatory AM radios in cars.

I enjoy listening to NPR while I'm driving, but I doubt I would go through the trouble of buying a separate radio to keep sitting on my passenger seat or something?

And hey, guess who produces all of your favorite podcasts? That's right, NPR.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Podcasts aren't going to give you the latest news. Especially not the local, regional and state news that local public radio stations provide. Information you might want to know in a disaster in a place where FM radio might not reach.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

NPR is on FM too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

NPR is on FM, too, and, uh, they’ve transitioned to streaming by webcast or app.

(They’ve had NPR One one for years, there’s a new NPR app that’s out to replace it.)

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You can make an AM radio with a fucking potato. What a joke.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

The issue is the motors generate EM emissions that interfere with AM reception. To still have AM, they have to add shielding, which adds cost, as well as weight that will reduce range and efficiency.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

Hell, the off-the-shelf radio-on-a-chip components they use in their stereos probably already have the physical capability of receiving AM radio; but I'm willing to bet the motors or some other component produces interference that would be difficult to engineer around.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

... said Albert "Don't call me Al" Gore....

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

But you called me Betty!

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago (3 children)

FM is more affected by physical barriers (buildings, etc.). Range is around 30 miles. AM range is around 100 miles during the day and further at night.

Don’t states with frequent hurricanes still recommend switching to AM in the event of disaster? There are a lot of situations where cell phones or FM may not work, but you could get an AM signal.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago

See this comment: https://sh.itjust.works/comment/11323676 on an alternate thread to this same discussion which gives a great run down of AM & FM radio systems.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Would be nice if phones came with am/fm radios built in

It's a shame that they took out this feature from smartphones when they killed the aux jack

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

They used to, back when we lived in a real society

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

I’m not sure what people would do with normal radios, but people in a severe weather area might own a weather radio that gets alerts from NOAA, and that’s on VHF, though they usually have AM/FM as well. I lived in tornado alley for a while and yeah, we would listen to whatever we could receive (FM in more populated areas, but AM when way out in the sticks) and we had a NOAA radio too.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Can’t have right wing talk radio cut off at the knees. Considering the interference generated by electric motors, I look forward to the added expense in EVs to add a feature I will never use.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

Unless there's an emergency.

The way I read it, this is ensuring everyone has the most effective analogue radio in their car because that's how emergency broadcasts would go out. Seems sensible to me.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

To be fair the law seems to require it be done at no extra cost to the consumer, but I'm sure they'll find something else that suddenly becomes much more expensive to install than it was before.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Drivers Seat $10,000.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The tech is so old I can't imagine it realistically costing much.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

It's the fact that you can't just slap it in there that is the issue. The electric motors interfere with the AM signal. That's what's been argued to be complicated and thus expensive.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

There are also AM NPR stations (I wasn't aware of this myself until a few days ago), especially in large states with small populations like Alaska.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I listen to NPR, and not requiring AM radio in cars would literally (or "finally" if you're an idiot conservative) kill the National Public Radio system for good.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I've run out of free articles. Can someone please post the article?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago

This story originally appeared on Ars Technica

Looks like you can read the article, without a paywall, here: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/05/am-radio-is-a-lifeline-lawmakers-say-tech-and-auto-industries-disagree/

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Open in browser, enable reader mode, (likely on the right side of the address bar)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

I'm ok if this requires better EM shielding of electric vehicles. RF bands are a natural resource, and we should prevent short term profit-seeking from shitting them up.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

What would nuclear Armageddon sickos do then?

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