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[Idea] If you don't want to see huge flags taking space over actual drawings in the Canvas, pick the biggest flag that you can find to deface.

As long as a lot of people are doing that, the ones templating larger flags will be forced to reduce their layouts and give more room for actual drawings.


[Reasoning] When it comes to country flags, I think that the immense majority of the users can be split into four groups:

  1. The ones who don't want to see country flags at all.
  2. The ones who are OK with smaller flags, but don't want to see larger ones.
  3. The ones who want to see a specific large flag taking a huge chunk of space.
  4. The ones who want to see the whole canvas burning, like the void.

I'm myself firmly rooted into #1, but this idea is a compromise between #1, #2 and #4.

Typically #3 uses numbers (and/or bots) to seize a huge chunk of the canvas to their flags. Well, let's use numbers against it then. As long as #1, #2 and #4 are trying to wreck the same flag, we win.


[inb4]

But what about identity flags?

Not a problem. They're typically bands instead of thick squares, and people drawing them are fairly accommodating.

But what about [insert another thing]

Even if [thing] is a problem, it's probably minor in comparison with huge country flags.

What should be the template?

None. We don't need one, as long as everyone is working against the same large flag.

Just draw something of your choice over the flag, preferably over its iconic features.

But I'm not creative enough for that!

No matter how shitty your drawing is, it's probably still way more original than a country flag. So don't feel discouraged.

That said, you can always help someone else with their drawing. Or plop in some text. Or just void.

Why are you posting this now, you bloody Slowpoke?

I wish that I thought about this before Canvas 2024. But better later than never. (And better early by a year for Canvas 2025.)


EDIT: addressing on general grounds some whining from group #3 (the ones who want to see a specific large flag taking a huge chunk of the canvas space).

You do realise that this sort of "war against the largest flag" should benefit even you, as long as the biggest flag is not the one you're working with, right? Even for you, this makes the canvas a more even level field. Let us not forget that you love to cover other flags with your own.

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[–] eatham 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Please don't. The Aussie flag will likely be the largest, and it will have art on it next year (not like this year where we accepted art, next year it will be on the template.) It also allowed art this year. There is no reason to be an asshole and ruin stuff for no good reason.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Oh wow. I had to go back to check for the Australian flag. Took me a bit to notice the blue and the two stars around the British Flag.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

There is no reason to be an asshole and ruin stuff for no good reason.

Except when it's a rainbow, a flag of another government, or Tux's foot. Right? /s

I'm not blaming specifically you eathan for this, before you jump to conclusions. But even you should acknowledge that the main sort of people "being an arsehole and ruining stuff for no good reason" are flag posters. And I would not be surprised if they were the major ones behind botting and multi-accounting too.

Just keep it small.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You do have a lot of prejudices.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You do have a lot of prejudices.

Against who are you claiming that I have prejudice?

inb4: my point remains the same regardless of the country flag in question. Be it the Australian flag, the German flag, French, Brazilian, Japanese, American, whatever.

[–] eatham 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We did not attack the rainbow, they are still here. The Brazilian flag was not attacked by an Aussie. Tux's foot was over one of our star, sorry to the people who made it but we wanted our stars at the top of the flag (that was the only one we damaged)

No alts were used (or if they were they did not do significant work as i only saw 3 or 4 accounts that did more than like 30px) and no bots were used.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The Brazilian flag was not attacked by an Aussie.

After reading this, I probed a few pixels from 0,60 to 30,90. And I encourage others reading this to do the same.


Do you perhaps identify yourself as something else than Australian?

I also gave eco.br a check. I'll translate the relevant comment, from three days ago, here:

It's some specific guy picking on us, some ethan guy. Yesterday I even made a heart to signal peace and he vandalised it again with an alt account in another browser, then there was no way to win.

I wasn't born yesterday. Based on the information publicly available, the only sane conclusion is that you're lying.

No alts were used (or if they were they did not do significant work as i only saw 3 or 4 accounts that did more than like 30px) and no bots were used.

Given the above, your strong position against using IP to detect multi-accounting suddenly makes sense.

Tux’s foot was over one of our star, sorry to the people who made it but we wanted our stars at the top of the flag

"No, we don't ruin stuff for no good reason! Uhm, errr, a star is totally a good reason!"


I'll address other people reading this, not the poster above.

I don't give a flying fuck about the Brazilian flag. For me it's just Bourbon and Habsburg's dirty undergarment on a pole. The situation would be the same with a green-yellow blob covering a red-blue smaller one.

I'm using this here to highlight why those people are trying to dissuade us from playing the game, in spirit and rules, cooperating to curb down the size of large flags on any following edition of Canvas:

It is not because they want to avoid "conflict" or "vandalism". It's simply because it contradicts their goals. "Rules for thee, but not for me" style.

[–] eatham 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

First, @[email protected] is not me. Are you probing where the Brazil flag was? Because as of last Check, (6hr before canvas ended, I went to school for the rest) it was someone who had not worked anywhere else on the flag. I did not see a heart, could have been when I was offline or when working on perchance.

I won't be replying again. You are arguing stupidly, saying another account is me with no proof and probably probing off of the original Brazil flag.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 months ago

First, @[email protected] is not me.

Yeah, nah, anyone reasonable would have reasonable doubts about your claim here.

Even then, let's bite. Let's say that you and that other poster are different people. Even then you're lying - through this comment chain you showed plenty signs of knowing who worked on the Australian flag, so when you're claiming that "The Brazilian flag was not attacked by an Aussie", you know that it is not true.

Are you probing where the Brazil flag was?

The general area should be (0~30),(60~90) as stated in the earlier comment. If you want something more specific I don't mind asking in eco.br.

I won’t be replying again. You are arguing stupidly, saying another account is me with no proof and probably probing off of the original Brazil flag.

You

  • joined a thread clearly gathering people from groups that you do not belong to (namely: people who don't want huge flags),
  • bossing people from that group from doing exactly the same as you flag posters do (to organise themselves),
  • avoided the main topic at hand (flag size),
  • went on a "chrust me" (babbling about your plans for the next Canvas - that don't address the issue at hand on first place, so likely posted as a diversion tactic),
  • spewed some bullshit here and there...

But yeah. I'm the one "arguing stupidly", for not swallowing the bullshit. Riiiiiiight.