this post was submitted on 30 Jul 2024
54 points (100.0% liked)

SneerClub

982 readers
24 users here now

Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Why capitalists are coming out against democracy - "Does classical liberalism imply democracy?"

https://www.ellerman.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Reprint-EGP-Classical-Liberalism-Democracy.pdf

"There is a fault line running through ... liberalism as to whether or not democratic self- governance is a necessary part of a liberal social order. The democratic and non-democratic strains of classical liberalism are both present today. Many ... libertarians ... represent the non-democratic strain in their promotion of non-democratic sovereign city-states."

@sneerclub

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

TIL "classical liberalism" has absolutely nothing to do with the "classical" part, great, who the fuck decided to name it that?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh no it's just when you say classical time period that means something different than the word classical in different contexts. Classical music isn't referring to the Greeks and Romans either.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

and "classical music" was a retrospective label for reactionary purposes too

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

it’s almost as if we’ve culturally deluded ourselves away from seeing that nostalgia is a toxic impulse and clinging to the past is self-imprisonment*

*in particular I thought it was cool to enjoy classic rock in high school because it was non-mainstream, not seeing the irony that I was just enjoying a mainstream from decades ago, making me even more mainstream

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Kids these days with their newfangled romanticism and their fortepianos. No respect for the sonata form.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It’s “classical” in the sense that the columns on courthouses in Confederate states are, i.e., in ennobling an arbitrarily inequitable order.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

@V0ldek @sneerclub The people who decided that they liked 18th & 19th century “liberals” a whole lot more than the modern ones. Basically Libertarians.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

And yet they use humanism as a slur. Interesting, that.