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'We Are All Culpable': Third American Self-Immolates to Protest Israel's Gaza Onslaught
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Imagine looking at this and reaching the conclusion that it is he and not the world that has gone mad.
Anyone who blames themselves for something they have absolutely no say in or control over, to the degree they are willing to set themselves on fire over it, is mentally ill.
Your confused. Self-immolation isn't about self-punishment anymore than any other protest method.
It's the "we are all culpable" leading to the immolation that's indicative of mental illness.
He said "we are all culpable" not "I alone am culpable."
I think most if not all of the "he's nuts" talk is from people who would rather not consider themselves culpable.
And that's stupid binary thinking and he was wrong.
Thus.
Any world in which the principal superpower lets a tiny nation write its foreign policy for it, to the point where that superpower is giving the tiny nation the means to commit genocide and refuses to stop, is a profoundly sick world.
Israel attacked an intelligence gathering ship to prevent it from realizing that Israel was the one starting shit in Syria... then the US really started supporting it.
Israel is a blight on the world.
What, are you 16? Do you think this is some kind of life-changing insight?
It changes nothing. He's still dead and the genocide continues for your entertainment.
I'm gonna say the guy that self immolated was not mentally well even if I agree with his cause
By comparison with a world in which the major superpower can't muster a candidate who opposes genocide? Yeah, the world is way sicker than this guy was.
I'm not nor was I comparing it to anything. If you self immolate, that's a very strong indicator you're not mentally well. Again, I agree with their cause but it's really weird to imply they were mentally healthy when they decided to light themselves on fire and die horrifically
What does sanity even mean in an insane world?
Wow, that's some deep thought, there, R D Laing. What if we're the crazy ones?
People close to me have schizophrenia. It's as much a disease as cancer is. If you don't believe that, you've never experienced it up close, or you have an inability to learn from direct experience.
Same. I don't use their sickness as an excuse to ignore atrocities.
See a psychiatrist
For knowing that genocide is madness.
I mean dude did kill himself by setting himself on fire. That's pretty nuts
I mean, we're kinda working on that as a species as well.
And would you call that sane?
Nope. But we're gonna keep doing it anyway, and calling this guy crazy because it's easier than admitting that we are all culpable.
You are in no position to determine my degree of culpability, or that of anyone who's not pulling a trigger.
Wash those hands, Pilate.
Friend, come on
If you want to pretend that we live on a sane planet, well, when on Earth, do as the Earthlings do, I guess.
I'm saying killing yourself over US actions isn't a sane move. You brought up global warming in reply as if that meant anything in this discussion.
And I'm saying that no product of this barking mad oblate spheroid is qualified to make that assessment. But dismissing him as insane is a great way to not have to treat his rebuke to humanity as the just condemnation it is.
He did covered himself in gasoline and light that up as a form of suicide. It does sound a bit insane.
Maybe one day someone will say something that causes you to consider similar words to his. Oh who am I kiddin'. It's just crazy talk.
I'm sorry but I have no idea what this means. Similar words to whose, what words?
Yeah, I know. It wasn't support for genocide, so you didn't listen at all.
Listen to what?
You have no idea he even said anything, huh?
"We are all culpable" says the title, didn't read more into it than that.
This is still puzzling me. Maybe some day someone will say something that will make me consider saying the same thing that made me do the considering. Did I understand that correctly? It just seems like a confusing sentence imo.
Oh, you were finally able to read it.
No, maybe someday will say something that causes you to consider similar words instead of immediately dismissing anything that isn't support for genocide as insanity.
No I read the title before commenting anything here. i just had no idea what words and from whom you meant.
I don't know if this helped me to understand what you are saying. "Someday will say something that causes me to consider similar words"? Whuut. I'm not a native English speaker so sorry if that's why I don't get it but I have no idea what you mean with that.
Someday, someone who is more convincing than I am will convince you that any words that aren't support for genocide and only genocide aren't utter insanity.
Okay, I get it now. But I wasn't calling being anti-genocide insanity, rather burning yourself alive over it.
If you say so.
Correct
I'm encouraging others not to waste their lives, when they can accomplish far more by staying alive and engaging.
But if you want to torch yourself and refuse to get professional help, I can't stop you. Just don't encourage others to emulate your disordered thinking.
More immediate cause was probably all that burning gasoline he poured on himself. What a waste
You're trying to blame the US for some suicidal man killing himself. Idk, I'm not a fan of suicide overall.