this post was submitted on 25 Jul 2023
189 points (95.7% liked)

Asklemmy

43757 readers
1162 users here now

A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions

Search asklemmy ๐Ÿ”

If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!

  1. Open-ended question
  2. Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
  3. Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
  4. Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
  5. An actual topic of discussion

Looking for support?

Looking for a community?

~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_[email protected]~

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

You know those sci-fi teleporters like in Star Trek where you disappear from one location then instantaneously reappear in another location? Do you trust that they are safe to use?

To fully understand my question, you need to understand the safety concerns regarding teleporters as explained in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQHBAdShgYI

spoilerI wouldn't, because the person that reappears aint me, its a fucking clone. Teleporters are murder machines. Star Trek is a silent massacre!

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

...But the -me- that just popped into existence isn't going to perceive a gap in continuity at all. It may be a new -me-, but it has all the memories and experiences that -I- had just prior to being disintegrated. From the perspective of the new -me- there's no change at all.

Are you the same person as the person that went to sleep last night? How would you know that you weren't replaced by a clone with precisely the same memories and experiences? Or a clone that thinks that it has the same memories and experiences? I can remember last night, but can I prove that my memories are accurate?

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

While I agree with you it would -for me- still depend on how the process works. Suppose the new copy needs to be compared with the original after being constituted for safety reasons. So the original doesn't get destroyed before the copy is created. So for an instant there will be 2 'yous'. That makes jt less desirable for me. Now suppose the verification time -either due to technical or administrative purposes- takes minutes or hours? At that point I would not step into a transporter.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The fact that a clone would be seamlessly picking up my stream of consciousness after I die would be little consolation to me.

Sleep may be similar from a philosophical or external point of view. But I'm not sold that lack consciousness during sleep is in the same league as completely destroying, and then, rebuilding it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seriously tho, why does it matter? If you are annihilated and a down to the quark exact duplicate is created, what's the difference?

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

No difference for the rest of the universe, but the difference between life and death to my current stream of consciousness.

Imagine if the teleporter malfunctioned and created the duplicate on the other end but failed to disentigeate you. A worker notices you're still in the machine and says, "oops sorry, had a malfunction on this end. Give us a minute to fix the issue and we'll destroy you. No worries though, 'you' made it out the other end."

Wouldn't you do everything in your power to get out of that machine before they could fix it and kill you?