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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

"Also majorities are slow to change, and it's simply dishonest (and destabilizing) to have one's vote weigh less depending on which group they are part of."

It doesn't. Just because you are a part of the minority doesn't make your vote count less. It just means there are more people who disagree with you than agree.

I'd say countries that devolve into dictatorship aren't due to too much democracy but due to weak constitutional protections.

Right now in the US we are in danger of devolving into a dictatorship because of the extra weight added to minority votes.

Edit: and by minority votes I'm talking about policies with less than 50% support.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It doesn’t. Just because you are a part of the minority doesn’t make your vote count less.

If your group's percentage is 45% and the chance of its common position becoming reality is less than 45%, which it is with voting as opposed to sortition, it is.

It just means there are more people who disagree with you than agree.

More people disagreeing with me than agreeing doesn't mean that they should always have their way (because there's more of them) and I never. It means that proportionally to our numbers sometimes they should have their way and sometimes I mine.

This is simply closer to the real wishes of the voters. And that can be delivered by sortition.

Edit: and by minority votes I’m talking about policies with less than 50% support.

And I'm saying that that minority-supported policies should pass proportionally to that minority. 20% percent minority included, for example.

If you are afraid of what that 20% percent will make you do if their representatives get up through sortition - well, shouldn't give any central government the ability to hurt you that much.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think we are talking about two different things. I'm talking about individual policies, and I think you are talking about elected representatives. I do agree that percentages of representatives should match the population, but votes on individual policies should always match what the majority of the population wants.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Eh, no. What good then are the percentages of representatives?

The whole point is that policies should average to matching what the average citizen wants. Not the majority.

It's fair - sometimes the majority gets their way and the minority has to obey. Sometimes other way around. With frequency according to percentages.

That's the point. Actual power to make decisions should be balanced by representation of positions in the society. Not held by majority.