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The way I see it that instinct is the cause behind so much suffering and injustice in the world.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't think so. I think the universe is too harsh for a complex, truly altruistic species to survive. But it is possible for us to get to a point where socially we're better than our base instincts. We're partway there, although we've been backsliding lately.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So you think if we all cooperated, made sure everyone was safe and healthy, ended war, and devoted all our time to ensuring each person reached their potential (whether that be scientific, artistic, etc) it would make us less likely to survive?

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I think they're saying if you start out that way naturally (like a peaceful sapient race on a peaceful planet) they'd be an easy resource for something less peaceful (it would just take one aggressive race to extinguish them). If peacefulness and powerfulness scale together during a species's development, they may learn to learn strategies for peaceful coexistence before the stakes are too high for screwups.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No. The very tribalism that has allowed us to survive now works against us because we were too successful at survival. The solution is to be aware of and constantly fight against our base selfish instincts through things like what you said. The problem is that we seem to always go back to "fuck you, got mine" as a species. Perhaps the great filter is that a species that's successful enough at survival to get to the point where space travel is possible will always be betrayed by the tribalistic behavior they needed to survive the harshness of life.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Ok, I agree it's not likely we'll get there. That's certainly and sadly true.