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One of the main reasons I've switched over to feddit.de. Hope more instances have the sense to block servers that are openly pro-imperialism and pro-totalitarianism.
@gzrrt @xTechDeath Is it not better to have open dialogues with people who disagree with you, rather than blocking them?
If they're interested in having good-faith discussions, sure.
Is good faith = drinking neoliberal/neocon Anglo koolaid, in your case?
"There are only two positions in the world, mine and an extreme caricature of some awful opposite" is not a particularly useful place to get started on good faith argument.
What you call caricature is reality. I am not a western neoliberal and I have every reason to push back against western chauvinism. Largely, there are two positions in the world, one being Anglo imperialism and the other is rest of world that suffers from it. Nuances are a secondary concern. Hairsplitting distractions stopped working long ago.
I am tired of how malicious people are, that purposely believe lies about Tiananmen Square and Tankman and even go ahead to spread them, frankly speaking. There is a CNN Crew footage since the past 9-10 years where no "Tankman" ever got crushed. There are fingerprints everywhere regarding CIA's involvement in Tiananmen incident, and how "democratic students" were paid in scholarships, vacation trips and other means to cause havoc. There are photos of those terrorists burning Chinese soldiers, vehicles and infrastructure first, which was responded to by PLA soldiers aptly.
You can only ever have good faith arguments with people who do not go "see see poo poo" the moment they hear China.
You can't have good faith arguments with cult members, fascists, or tankies.
@CrimsonOnoscopy Why not?
Because they don't engage in good faith. Right and 'left' fascists don't value truth as anything more than a tool.
That's why it's so easy for them to switch from (say) genocide denial on the issue of China and its genocide of populations in Xinjiang, Tibet, ~~Outer~~ Inner Mongolia, and throughout the (Artificial and Imperialist) borders of the state.
Because they will often come into a conversation knowing full well that what's happening is a genocide. But since their objective isn't to reach truth, their argumentation doesn't reflect the things they know.
It's one of the recurring traits of Fascism- Disdain for reality. The way this trait is shared by reactionary authoritarians like those who run the Chinese state is quite telling about the nature of these 'left' authoritarian ideologies.
The 'left' is in quotes here because these groups are something-phobic, socially reactionary and abusive as often as not.
You took the words out of my mouths. Authoritarians are a waste of air and should be treated as such.
Forgot to add the worst group, liberals? I wonder why...