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Not a lib or a troll, genuinely want to understand your perspective. Are you saying that when a country is invaded that it should bend over and let it happen because war is bad and resisting means the war continues?
I'm well aware Ukraine is a troubled country, filled with corruption and problematic nationalists, even if from my understanding they have far less power now than in 2014.
What would the ideal outcome be according to you all? Ukraine should give up all the Russian speaking parts or cede the whole country? As shit as Ukraine is Russia seems even worse.
This is a false equivalency pushed by the western media between 1. "bending over and letting it happen" (disgusting comparison to SA) with it being invasion by "muh subhuman asiatic hordes" and 2. "fighting back the untermensch invaders".
Everybody here advocates for a peaceful resolution to the conflict in which no more innocent lives are lost, with the withdrawal of military forces on both sides, and as another user pointed out below, Russia will ideally take the Donbas/Crimea because otherwise the racial reprisals by Azov and co. against the ethnic majority Russian population would be another humanitarian disaster.
There is a truly peaceful resolution to this conflict, do not take seriously the warmongering fascist propaganda of the West because they want to use this as an excuse to test experimental weaponry against their enemy.
No, it isn't. Russia is making an unprovoked attack on Ukraine. Allowing them to have any benefits from this attack at all encourages them to try this again, which they certainly would. Trusting Russia to keep to an agreement is like trusting a dingo in a nursery. They promised to respect Ukraine's territory in exchange for Ukraine giving up their nuclear arsenal, and this is the result. The United States guaranteed their security as part of this deal. If Russia were honest, they would never have invaded. If the US were honest, they would have put boots on the ground and sent their own military in to counter the invasion. At the end of the day, Ukraine should've just kept the nukes.
There will be peace when Putin is dead and Russia withdrawals.
Shelling the Donbass for 8 years doesn't count I guess
This is a deeply ironic thing to say considering none of this would have happened if Ukraine just kept to the Minsk Agreements