this post was submitted on 20 Aug 2023
283 points (99.3% liked)

Ukraine

8205 readers
1023 users here now

News and discussion related to Ukraine

*Sympathy for enemy combatants is prohibited.

*No content depicting extreme violence or gore.

*Posts containing combat footage should include [Combat] in title

*Combat videos containing any footage of a visible human must be flagged NSFW


Donate to support Ukraine's Defense

Donate to support Humanitarian Aid


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Things like that are true with any new weapon. The C-Ram or the new laser weapon navy has should work well against.

Rheinmetall had video showing their done defense, it was made in 2021 https://youtu.be/pb5_F4_Eod8?t=3s

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Conventional ammo is their answer to a modern drone swarm? I thought Rhein was better than that. Like, cool, you took out eight stationary drones. Now do a half mile wide swarm of eighty thousand coming around the ridge at speed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Idk man, if I was going to try to shoot down a drone, I'd just use birdshot.

And assuming each of the eighty thousand drones costs $200 each including ordnance, that's a very significant expenditure on an attack. And I'm not even sure if it would be feasibly possible given limited bandwidth to control them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know mate, that's only 16 million. The price of an F-22 is $150 million. Spending a ninth of a jet to win a war by strategically targeting the capital seems pretty cheap to me. Bring it up to the full cost and you have 750,000 drones. You are going to get overwhelmed by drones no matter how much ammo you have. It is too much.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh, if you're talking about drones which can operate over long distances you're talking about $20,000 drones, or more expensive. You'd need satcoms and that isn't cheap or lightweight.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I am talking about small commercial drones that act like suicide bombers. They go one way and can be real cheap. Just deploy somewhat locally.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

More expensive and less useful than you might think.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Tech gets cheaper each year and software becomes more advanced. You don't need wireless control when each drone can autonomously navigate to and identify a pre-programmed target.

The block II tomahawk cruise missile had that 40 years ago. That image processing and satellite communications capability is available in modern smartphones.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They move much slower than missiles, there videos where people were able to shut them down with regular weapons (you don't see that with missiles) so why automated system using conventional weapons wouldn't be effective?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It isn't conventional ammunition. Not at all.