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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (80 children)

In Denmark we have the lovely new law that if you drive more than 100% over the speed limit and over 100 kmh or drive over 200 kmh at all or drunk driving with over 2‰ they confiscate the car and you are not getting it back at all. They confiscate the car regadles of who owns the car (with very few exceptions) and that is also if it is leased. So far since when the law started they have confiscated over 2000 cars in two years. It's my favourite law of all laws right now. The fine for driving crazy is also nicely proportional to your income and it removes the car so the person cannot just drive without license afterwards.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (19 children)

I can't get behind property seizure without compensation, but I can understand everything else.

Even if they said "you can't have this car any more, but can sell it from our facility" that'd be better I think

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In effect, is it really that different to a fine? It seems to have a couple of advantages, though: it's easier to collect, and it's proportional, so a person who can afford a fancy luxury car pays more than someone in an old banger, without the complexity of having to evaluate their income and savings.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is exactly the reason they are doing it. Proportional to income and the car is completely and physically removed from the road. There was a big issue here where the offender would just drive without license or the car was leased or borrowed so there was no real penalty. Now the leasing company would have to take responsibility for leasing fancy supercars to anyone and everyone and people lending their car to a known drunk or fast driver would definitely think twice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (14 children)

@TDCN

That part is all good. The problem is they don't care whose car it is. If I was to borrow your car, and then break this law, then YOU are out a car. Yes, you can try and get the money back from me, but that might take a decade if I don't have money to replace your car.
If you ask me, that's crazy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@joland @TDCN it's the same as if you crash a borrowed car while doing something that invalidates the insurance, eg racing.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Normally me neither, bit in this context where you are driving so recklessly you are endangering everyone else and we are talking over double the speed limit I'll allow it. Noone has any rights left when you are doing that kind of stuff deliberately.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@GBU_28 @TDCN In Australia we have a law that lets the police make you watch while they crush your car.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (15 children)

@GBU_28 play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Driving a car is not a right. Especially in Denmark where public transport is an perfectly viable alternative for most of the population.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@TDCN @Showroom7561 Impossible in Germany 😄 But it sounds very good - and easy to understand

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@TDCN I do admire the Danish pragmatism endlessly. One of my favorite countries. Thanks for sharing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@TDCN @Showroom7561 In my hometown its kind of a hobby to rent fancy sports cars for the weekend and this is as stupid as it sounds. I would love this law for Germany as well.

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