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Sorry for the headline. I don't know why they don't just say it's Vivek Ramaswamy.

To that end, I will accept Russian control of the occupied territories and pledge to block Ukraine’s candidacy for NATO in exchange for Russia exiting its military alliance with China. I will end sanctions and bring Russia back into the world market. In this way, I will elevate Russia as a strategic check on China’s designs in East Asia.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You know maybe trump isn't that bad

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Trump would've let the special military operation happen and likely vetoed any retaliatory action. Kyiv would have fallen overnight, if not within weeks. You're forgetting that Trump got into power largely due to Putin's electoral interference, and that he's the closest that America had come to allying with Russia since the Second World War.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Don't forget that he was literally impeached for trying to blackmail Zelenskyy by denying him military support if he didn't give Trump dirt on Hunter Biden. Trump is no friend of Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My issue with that theory is if it's true, why didn't Putin invade while Trump was in power? I think Putin rightly considers Trump a loose cannon who may well have escalated in response. While Biden is predictably afraid of escalation and has been eager to pump the brakes on military aid whenever possible, against congress's wishes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah if you completely disregard the annexation of Crimea you're entirely correct. He was so affraid of Trump he never even took Crimea!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

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Ouch you're correct. Do I get half a point because one of is campaign stances was that the resulting sanctions should be lifted?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

they were not trying to place nuclear bunkers in ukraine back then.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

This guy is lining up to be Trump's VP.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

He's doing his job then. We all know he's too brown to be the GOP nomination. So my wager is on him making Trump seem slightly less extreme without ever changing tact himself, since he doesn't know how to.