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you asked for an ideal outcome. and that is a very practical outcome.
but fine, ill play ur game. a realistic and practical outcome that i prefer would be Russia preventing Ukraine from entering NATO, limiting the ability for the global empire to conquer everything
if Putin never invaded, Ukraine wouldn't be trying to join NATO
This is some strong "stop hitting yourself" energy
And if ukraine hadn't violated rhe Minsk agreement Russia wouldn't have done that.
Fun fact did you know there's history before the last 2 years?
Lol all signatories wiped their asses with minsk 2, while Putin played stupid by pretending he had nothing to do with LPR and DPR.
Once Putin realized he wasn't going to get his pro-russian dickriders into Ukraine he literally invoked Godwin's Law and invaded Ukraine because "muh nazis".
Yea I can't believe he called them nazis just because they're wearing black sun patches and painting iron crosses on their tanks and freely admitting their nazis.
How many nazis are in Ukraine?
At least three
Oh, better invade the country then
Don't worry America is next
enough that even the Western media can't take a photo of a Ukrainian soldier without including fascist symbols somewhere in the photo. also enough that motherfucking Bandera is essentially worshipped as a state deity
I did know. That why I remember the Budapest Memorandum, in which Ukraine's territorial sovereignty was guaranteed by Russia in exchange for their nukes. I wonder why y'all didn't bring that up?
You got a response to this upthread that you didn't reply to. Maybe address @[email protected] before repeating yourself.
Thanks! I also posted it to them myself lol. I also called out that I knew they wouldn't respond, because it's clear they're cowards. I should probably have added that other treaties and agreements have been broken as well - such as that of NATO expansion.
Happy to help haha.
The Budapest memorandum??? You have got to be kidding me. A 30-year old document written shortly after the collapse of the USSR is somehow worthy of discussion? And it's Russia that should be critiqued for breaching it? Euromaidan was a coup of the Ukrainian government led by far right militias funded by the United States Department, which then installed their own puppet government with their picked stooges. This government then continually shelled another russian-speaking part of Ukraine for 8 years (in spite of other treaties I might add). The Budapest memorandum was already trampled by the United States and then Ukraine itself. Of course later treaties were written - like Minsk II, which was breached continually by Ukraine. Russia did seek diplomatic solutions before invading - which I think was an overreaction, but pretending it was unprovoked is silly.
And since we're talking treaties and agreements, what of that of NATO encroachment? The agreement that NATO would not incorporate ex Soviet countries? That's of course not worth anything, because that's different because we're doing it, right?
that’s funny bc this western source shows that in 2019, Ukraine amended their constitution to include a commitment to join NATO and the EU
Yeah, because in 2014, half their country was occupied by a foreign invader lol.
Oh no my neighbor is seeking alliances after I annexed their shit, how conniving of them!
this was 5 years later. Ukraine wouldnt need an alliance if they didnt consistently violate the Minsk agreements by bombing civilians in the DPR and LPR, giving Russia a reasonable casus belli
Time isn't linear silly
Proof?
Putin didn't even recognize DPR and LPR until the day before he invaded Ukraine. This is some concentrated revisionist history.
here is the info abt civilian bombing and here are some other war crimes.
recognizing the DPR and LPR would seriously escalate tensions between Russia and Ukraine/NATO. Russia did, however, maintain informal relations with them, including providing aid. DPR and LPR invited Russia to liberate them from Ukraine. you have no idea what revisionist means if you think thats what im doing here. Russia absolutely had a justified casus belli
That's why he did it the day before invading. Putin was hoping his separatists in DPR and LPR could weaken Ukraine without getting his hands dirty. When he saw that wasn't working, he got involved.
Yes, that's kinda what pro-Russian separatists are supposed to do. Next you'll tell me CPC members in Taiwan want one country, two systems.
Sorry I'm still not seeing it
What do you mean? Taiwan is a part of China. It's already one country
Oh boy can you start another dunk thread on this so I can flex my myopic, limited understanding of complex socio-political situations and make another fool of myself?
nobody should be getting as owned as you are twice in 24 hours, that's just cruel
Not a bad idea tbh, you're incredibly uninformed and that's what we thrive on.
You suffer so other people can learn
Gross self-deprication
No reason to, you haven't posted anything dunk-worthy with regards to Taiwan. I posted this thread to the dunk tank because I thought the callous disregard for human lives was dunk worthy, not because you didn't know enough about Ukraine or something.
Most of us here are westerners, we all se the same stories, we all know what we were told in school.
There's no shame in being misinformed, we all are - the shame is choosing to stay misinformed, when one is confronted with it. I try to read up on the takes that I disagree with, to see where they are coming from and wether I might be in the wrong.
This also generally seems to be the culture of hexbear, which is why users are constantly asking for sources - it's not to do some smug gotcha, but instead to do some investigation and possibly self-crit.
I am not super well-versed in Taiwan, so if you want to know a lot I would recommend searching thru this site. There are lot of good effortposts with first-hand sources. I know @[email protected] has posted a lot and knows a lot about China, so you could also look thru his account for good knowledge.
I will however just to be quick point out that the United States itself does not recognize Taiwan as a country - really no one does. They all recognise the one china policy.
Completely separate point since Taiwan is and has historically been a part of China (and OCTS is of course a product of the imperialist subjugation of/capitalist propaganda surrounding China and the reality of socialism being underdeveloped in the mainland).
https://files.catbox.moe/dmdkbs.mp4
Minor detail, but I think it was 6 days before the invasion.
split the difference, three days? He officially recognized LPR and DPR on 21 Feb and invaded Ukraine on 24 Feb
Ah, I thought he recognized them, declared their annexation three days later, and invaded three days after that.
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