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He's lying, I can already see the dialog tree:
No I haven't done a DEXA
No I don't actually work out anymore but I used to do high school wrestling and the coach there told me I was 6% bf and I'm a bit chubbier now so 10% seems right.
What do you mean I've been lied to?
As I said I go to the gym, I'm not a cardiobunny.
Why do you want to know how much I squat?
Why do you say that I don't lift?
Why do you want to know these things I'm a manly man not a soyboy cuck beta like you.
He might be in decent shape but yeah, that 10% body fat is almost certainly nonsense. I'm 6'1 and work hard to be part of the swoletariat around 200 lbs. and probably somewhere close to the 15% bodyfat range if I had guesstimate.
225 at 6'2" and 10% bf is almost literally Arnold fucking Schwarzenegger. He's either an active competition level bodybuilder juiced to the gills or he's full of shit.
I knew someone who cared a lot about bf snd got down to 5%.
It did not look healthy. Mostly dehydrated.
It's definitionally not healthy. I've been sub 10% body fat as part of a personal goal/experiment before and it's pretty fucking awful and totally unsustainable. 10-15% is maintainable for most people and you still have visible definition....but when you'e talking about stage ready bodybuilders or even some more modern shirtless scenes in movies it should always be stressed: they've literally starved themselves in preparation for this brief few minutes/hour long window. Absolutely nobody in the world looks like 24/7 365. It simply isn't possible even with drugs and even if it were nobody would want to live that way
The thing is if you are at that amount of bf% you know it because of how miserable you are and there's no "yeah man I'm about 10% bf" it's all high school wrasslin bullshit. Which is why I'd literally just ask them if they pulled it out of their ass or if they did a DEXA
I dunno what a DEXA is, but when I certified for wrestling the athletic trainer was purposely generous with their measurements and I came in at 10% body fat. This was after cutting 15 pounds of fat and when I started I had a six pack. Those last few pounds were a miserable time.
So anyway, what's the point of this story? If I had to guess, my comfortable floor is probably 10% body fat. I was probably a bit lower when I certified and miserable because of it. When I was probably around 15% body fat I looked great.
Anyway if you actually know your body fat percentage you're either a wrestler or have an unhealthy obsession. Hell if know what I am now, I've lost loads of muscle and gained a little fat. You can still see a few abs, but I don't have the full six pack anymore.
DEXA is basically an X-ray of your body, high school wrestling is notorious for giving people the impression that they are at a way lower bf% than they actually are which leads to people saying "yeah I was at 10% bodyfat when I did wrestling because my coach said so", at that percentage doing actual wrestling would've seriously impacted your performance it's generally just not where most athlete wants to be even endurance athletes like Ironman runners and triathletes will be around 12% bf
Ah. I'd love to see some data on the DEXA vs the pinch test. We certified at the beginning of the year and were forbidden from going below 7% based on those numbers, but I don't know of anyone who actually bumped up against that limit, even with the deflated numbers (according to you, anyway). The bottom of my cut was absolutely no fun, and I refused to wrestle that low in part because of that. I had to flex my legs a few times before getting out of a chair or I'd get light headed.
I don't really care what the real number is, so long as we're all working from the same methods and data and the advice is being given based off those methods. Ultra low body fat isn't something to be proud of any more than ultra high body fat or extra "perfect."
Sure here you go, if I remember it right they used a 5 pinch test instead of the more normal 3 pinch people can do on themselves. I found this one that used a three pinch method the mean BF% for pinching was 11.59% vs 21.35% with DEXA.
This is kind of my gripe with calipers for bf% don't get me wrong I think they can be a good tool to measure change in body composition because if you pinch the same way it'll show you changes happening but actual bf% is tricky and super dependent on where you pinch and how often. Based on your account I believe you that you were really low bf% because it was the same for me, I err on the side of skepticism because of just how much broscience there is out there.
Wow! Very cool data! Judging by these numbers I was probably more like 18-20% fat at my lowest. Humans are fattier than I've been taught!
Of course, this gives us the classic problem of having to stick with a flawed technique thanks to years of data and advice built up around it, or update your formulas and adjust the old data to better reflect reality. Fun stuff either way. Thanks for the articles!
I think what people sometimes forget is that our brains and our bone marrow is almost entirely fat and makes up around 5-6% of our body, but this again is just a bit the problem some will be able to do measurements that are closer to a DEXA and some will have one that's further away. It's a good tool for measuring change in bf% but yeah depending where and how often people pinch you'll have variance and almost always it'll get undercounted because you can't pinch brain matter or marrow.
Thanks! I appreciate it. Normally I would search myself but I've acquired a disability that can make it difficult sometimes.
I'm right there with you. I don't give a shit what the number is, I just want consistent data.
my bf usually hovers around at 15-20ish bf without cutting through daily weightlifting. 10% bf latently means youre putting your body through a lot of stress as a bodybuilder, my bf purposefully avoids doing that and is his main reason he doesnt do competitions which youll generally want to get down to 6% for. though my bf is much bigger than this guy tbh, hes was at like 310 pounds of muscle or something at one point 🤔
i fucking love my bf hes so gorgeous 🥰 and he would list his fucking pronouns.
He may be one of the newfangled gymbro/gymcel (part of the incel to liftcel pipeline) types of chuds? I have known plenty.
I doubt it, if he were a gymcel he'd mention how much he lifts or how much time he spends in the gym this guy does the height, weight, bf% combo which is something people that aren't gymcels do. Different vibe than "I look like a man I'm 6'2' 225lbs and bench/squat/deadlift x plates". This is guy did some sports during high school and is coasting on that nowadays.