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[–] [email protected] 111 points 1 year ago (28 children)

Is Steam really a monopoly when Valve doesn't try to stifle competition and no other company could be bothered (besides maybe GOG) to make a half decent store?

[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 year ago (36 children)

It is a monopoly - they just don't abuse it as much against their audience.

For developers it's either take their 30% deal or just don't sell your game because a lot of people only use steam.

Not even Cyberpunk or the Witcher could sell more on gog than on steam even though you knew that there the developers got 100% of the money spent. Gwent standalone flopped so hard on GOG that it had to be rereleased with limited features on steam and sold more there

People are just fundamentally lazy so it totally is a problem that you have one store with such a massive market share even if it's very convenient for the end-user they can completely exploit their position against publishers.

Sure EPICs way of making games exclusive to their store is not elegant but without that no-one would choose that store over steam

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I am not sure if it's just people being lazy. Steam legitimately is a good gaming platform. It just has so many features that really bring the PC platform to the level of consoles in terms of UX. Social features, discussion boards, reviews, matchmaking, chat, broadcasting, remote streaming, all this alongside a kickass store. That's why Valve could roll out something like Steam OS and not have it feel woefully inadequate compared to what consoles offer.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Don't forget notes for games, steam workshop, and for those of us open source enthusiasts, making easy/reliable gaming on Linux. It has never been so good being a Linux gamer.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Tell me a game store that supports Linux out of the box (not messing with wine stuff or lutris)

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

This is partially on these companies for failing to provide an equal experience to Steam on their platform. I bought Witcher III in GoG to support the devs, and my reward was a lost save by the time the DLCs came out, because their client didn’t have cloud saves. So guess where I bought their stuff from there on? Sure, they added these features later but for some people the damage is already done.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

It's a monopoly, but it's one that a big company like EA or Epic Games can defeat. But, they have to actually put in the work and effort to present an experience that isn't an enshittified version of Steam.

So far, none of them are willing to put in the time, so they don't get the prize.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Not even Cyberpunk or the Witcher could sell more on gog than on steam even though you knew that there the developers got 100% of the money spent.

Most gamers don't know and/or don't care, so they will take the least resistance path, which is Steam.

~~Steam has a "most favoured nation clause" which prevents companies from actually selling for cheaper on other platform. This is how steam maintains its monopoly. If it were possible for CD Projekt Red to sell it cheaper outside of steam it would force steam to actually charge developers less.~~

Edit: see below, it's actually not that clear.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They could sell for cheaper, they just can't sell Steam Keys specifically for cheaper than what's on Steam itself. Which makes sense honestly, you're literally using their service for both presence and distribution.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Looking at steam's own policies, this is true for steam keys, but there is an an going lawsuit that claims steam also makes this apply to non steam-enabled games: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/07/valve-issues-scathing-reply-over-the-facts-behind-a-steam-antitrust-case/

But looking mosre closely than I did previously this is based on:

  1. An contract that is apparently not public
  2. A 1 time example that Valve denies

So I don't really know, but if what valve says is true (which looks like it is), then I don't see any monopoly abuse indeed.

They do have a monopoly, but it's in large part for providing a better service. As a Linux user, I prefer Valve 100% over Epic that buys Rocket league and discontinues linux support. I do prefer Itch and GOG for the possibility of no-DRM games, but I've got to say it's overall a worse experience (no auto updates, no social features etc...)

I made my initial comment after watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOEG5qmMQas which suggested that Steam applied the MFN for non steam - enabled games too, but was done prior to Valve's response.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

For the price parity thing, there's the game Tales of Maj'Eyal that is $6.99 USD on Steam but is free on their website te4.org. Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead is an open source project, but is on Steam for $19.99 USD. Caves of Qud is actually on sale now on GOG, but the Itch.io and Steam version aren't. Sure, these may just be because traditional roguelikes don't garner that much attention, but they are cases nonetheless that show otherwise.

The lack of auto-updates can sometimes be good. StarSector updated relatively recently and if they actually updated automatically (even if they offered an option to disable it, they update so infrequently, I'd probably have neglected it), my save and all my mods for it would just break, or worse break silentl until it was too late.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Thinking about it there are also multiple FLOSS games that are free on GitHub/Linux repos but paid on Steam. For example Mindustry and Pixel dungeon.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Many years ago I bought some old DOS game where Linux runtimes using the original files exists on GOG. What I expected was a disk image or a zip containing the files - what I got was some exe containing the files. Why would I ever try to buy something from someone fucking up something that simple again?

I might buy some indie games from a developer directly - but with a middleman steam is the only option.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (30 children)

They are a monopoly because they.....provide the best most fair platform. Also why would linux users support ubisoft or epic.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

No, it's not a monopoly. They aren't even a gatekeeper as defined recently by the EU.

The most successful PC games (Minecraft, Fortnite, Roblox) aren't even on Steam.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

One aspect through which one could argue that they might stifle competition is their price parity rule, for which it seems they are being sued. See here (not sure if there is any new development.

Hard to compete with steam if you cant at least do it through lower pricing. Although this article suggests that at least for epic exclusives publisher seem to prefer to just pocket the difference, rather than pass on those savings.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Isn't that just saying you can't sell access to a game on steam (through a steam key) for a lower price than what's on Steam? It's not like they can't just offer a lower price... just that they can't offer it for a lower price bundled with Steam access.

So they can offer a lower price, just not as a third party through Steam itself.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I think you are right, the first article I linked was a bit ambiguous about it, but rereading the second one it seems that I misunderstood it and you are right.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Even if they are considered a 'monolopy' it seems like people haven't thought that we are the ones that have thrown our money at Valve and it is the ONLY reason why they are in the position they're in now. They offer a fantastic service to the gaming community and Valve is supposed to apologise for that? I'm not aware of any abuses within their own company that has contributed to their success or any anti-competitive behaviour?

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