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Feel free to report antisemitic comments, but antizionism isn't antisemitism and acting like it is is antisemitic and will net you a ban starting once this comment is posted.
Reporting borderline stuff will not get you banned but as someone who had family at auschwitz I'm tired of blatant antisemitism in defense of a settler colonialist apartheid regime.
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Clap LOUDER for those at the back! This is exactly what my Palestinian friend helped elaborate to me, the single biggest confusion sowed by western Zionist supporting rags into masses.
Mmm, there's nuance there. It can be exploited to push antisemitism, but it isn't inherently antisemitic.
Can be, but the nuance is not particularly that strong in real world. Rabbis have often displayed protest and anger on streets against Zionists.
The ones who will usually exploit this are white rightwingers that hate Israel because with that they can hate Jews (being the Nazis they are), but currently they oppose only Israel and not Palestine. The nuance is tiny and its there, I know well.
As a Jew, I say this kindly as I possibly can but it very much is quite strong in the real world. I've experienced antisemitism numerous times over with people using antizionism as an excuse. Antisemitism is really bad and has risen in the past few years online and offline, and people with bad intentions absolutely exploit Israeli war crimes to justify their antisemitism. And it creates a shitty feedback loop as hardcore Zionists point to instances of antisemitism that's in done under the guise of antizionism as "hey look see they hate us thats why we need zionism!"
I am from India, and we are not as aware culturally, since we are far from Western countries. Mostly what I hear is from my Palestinian and Middle East friends, from non-West media sources like Telesur that I try to tune in on occasionally.
What kinds of groups perpetrate this, and what could you add to my point regarding white rightwingers? Because West media purposely masking Israel with the cloak of cultural protection given to Jews is often what I discuss with my friend and is fucking disgusting and a disservice to all of the innocent Jews.
Any group. Antisemitism is unfortunately a unique form of racism that can be perpetuated by anyone. It's complicated, and it's complexity makes it all the more frustrating. It's not just a Nazi thing, it's an anyone thing. Anyone can perpetuate antisemitism, not just Nazis. That's why it's such a prevalent form of bigotry across the world. It's also prevalent not just in Europe but there is antisemitism that has been culturally common in the Middle East as well as it is in the West, most of it which predates Israels founding as a whole too. That doesn't justify Israels bullshit and their fascist government. Jew's are hated by nearly everyone, everywhere.
This specifically is something to be very careful when stating, as it veers dangerously close into territory of "jews control the media" which is an antisemitic conspiracy theory. I know what you are trying to say and our intentions seem to be in good faith here, but I ask you to analyze that as it is one of those things that people may take in very bad faith.
https://www.ushmm.org/antisemitism/what-is-antisemitism/explained <- this is a good primer for it. It's extremely complicated and there's a reason why even in the US many well intentioned people don't understand it either. It also doesn't help that Israel uses legit examples of antisemitism to try and shield their war crimes from criticism.
The videos are far too basic material for someone like me, as I already know how antisemitism mutates like a disease. But your emphasis on the fact that it mutates, that is interesting, because I never thought of it in the longer timeline context. Good takeaway, thanks.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/antisemitism this article specifically and the series of it goes into detail more beyond that
Also any expression of support for the Israel led genocide of Palestinians or any sort bigotry will not be tolerated as per Rule 3.
There's a difference between antizionism and antisemitism. Just as there's a difference between Israel and Jews.
Blame Israel, it's anti Israel. Blame the Jews, it's antisemitism.
Thank you.
Antisemitism explicitly refers to hatred of Jews, it's a weird linguistics thing but its why when referring to antisemitism there isnt a dash (anti-semitism) as that would specifically refer to all semites as a whole (which palestinians are). It has roots to the specific phrase that was used in German to refer to hatred of Jews.
Don't attempt to explain my own peoples hatred to me. I know more than you as I've lived this, as a Jew who is explicitly not a Zionist and has faced antisemitism online and offline. Stop.