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Israel’s military has informed the United Nations that the entire population of northern Gaza should relocate to the southern half of the territory within 24 hours, the U.N. spokesman, Stéphane Dujarric, said late on Thursday night, adding that such a movement — involving over one million people — would lead to “devastating humanitarian consequences.”

“The same order applied to all U.N. staff and those sheltered in U.N. facilities — including schools, health centers and clinics,” Mr. Dujarric said.

The U.N. was told that the marker dividing the north from south was Wadi Gaza, the statement said.

The U.N. Security Council is scheduled to hold an emergency meeting on Friday afternoon in a closed consultation format

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They are going to try and push them into Egypt and take it all.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Netanyahoo is a nationalist fuck, so that's probably what his plan was if it's true he and his military intelligence ignored the planned attack.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Serious question: If the whole point of Israel is to have a country for Jewish people, doesn't that make it a nationalist state by definition?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Zionism is by definition a nationalist ideology, so yes.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And this is where I never agreed with my Jewish inlaws. You aren't allowed to be critical of their ideology because to criticize the state is to criticize Jewish people. A lot of them feel this way.

I would argue the disingenuous ones use the historical events of the Holocaust to allow them carte blanche on their policies since then.

Then again, we aren't allowed to have an adult conversation around that IMHO. Yes there's a lot of complexity there and yes I am oversimplifying things.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's sad, my relatives from the Jewish side are more adequate. Not sure that's the case now, though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My Jewish inlaws are very liberal but at the same time I don't think traditional Anglo-Saxons fully understand how tightly embedded their religion is to their identity even if they're not religious. Same can be said of Muslims. That's where the complexity comes in. You're starting a conversation where bringing up aspects of religion and faith are a core aspect of their identity and their country's identity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, my relatives are definitely religious, even if there's nothing "ultra" about them (except for ultracool and ultrasmart maybe, haha). Since being Jewish is a religious thing more than ethnic one, it's obviously very hard to separate these (well, the state of Israel itself was such an attempt at creating a stable secular-Jewish identity).

And what's happening now is not about religion anyway, it's about lots of genocidal actions, which makes people emotional.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Amen. I wish I had an answer. I just know what's going on now is wrong.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Yes they explicitly want an ethnostate.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That makes it a Theocracy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It makes it an ethnostate, but because of Israeli policies it goes all the way to Apartheid.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They really can't, though. They'd have to give up their cheap, oppressed labor force. Unless they've finally decided to do that, which would be a real change in their position. They're just going to keep squeezing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They'd still have the West Bank

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago

If Israel wanted Gaza they would have taken it years ago or never left in the first place.