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(Please see comments) Alternatives to Signal if they exit EU due to ending E2EE (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Like the title states looking for E2EE apps (Android and iOS) without going into much details or needs to be robust enough and easy to use for anyone and stable for operations that are susceptible to constant electronic warfare. I did some research and thought about replacing Signal with Molly and wondering if it will still work if Signal leaves the EU, but am also worried about its updates to patch vulnerabilities in a timely manner. I appreciate the help I am a “Jack of all trades and master of none” when it comes to these types of programs, but am also the go to currently in my unit since I am somewhat knowledgeable about exploits and attacks that can compromise systems would be great if there was an desktop as well (like Signal) and would also be nice if it was FOSS and auditable ( I know that’s kind of redundant ) I know it’s a tall order to ask but figured I would try. I really appreciate the help so much and hope I did things by the rules here and don’t get flamed if this has already been covered ( I searched but my skills with searching the fediverse is low

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The only alternative that's FOSS and not centrally controlled is Matrix. By being decentralized, anyone can run their own server and good luck stopping that.

There may be 200 other "alternatives", but they're irrelevant to the point where I consider then non-existent. Nobody has heard of them. Nobody is using them. Trying to push them on normal people will most likely result in them no longer talking to you as often or at all, and none of the other ones has any chance of reaching a critical mass. Matrix at least has some recognition among nerds and some, tiny amount of adoption outside.

Stop pushing random niche shit, it does privacy a disservice.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The only alternative that’s FOSS and not centrally controlled is Matrix

That's not true, there is also XMPP which is lighter and far more decentralized than Matrix

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't understand why people think downloading s fucking app is so arduous. I truly don't. Their stalwart refusal. To do it puzzles tf out of me.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

If I installed a different app for every friend I had, I'd have a homescreen full just of chat apps. What's worse, those niche privacy friendly apps go under or out of favor often.

You might be able to convince some of your friends to install an app just for you once, but by the time you're telling them "this one now sucks, I'm on other app now" for the second time, they'll just stop chatting with you, and if you ask them repeatedly, likely shun you even IRL because most people want to live their lives, not chase chat apps for their friends' weird interests.

And even if they do that, they'll have one app that they use every day, and one that sits in the bottom of their app drawer. Guess who gets invited to do something on the weekend, the person who shows up on their main contact list, or the person that would show up if they dug out that dusty app? And guess what the phone is gonna do with that app once it hasn't been opened for a week... it's going to deprioritize it so it won't even work properly, while their main daily-opened app always gets push notifications immediately.

You don't have to like it. You can pretend it's not happening. But it will happen.