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At COP28, the United States Will Stress an End to Fossil Emissions, Not Fuels
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this post was submitted on 30 Nov 2023
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The idea is to use 30% to 50% of the energy from burning fossil fuels to capture the CO2 and pump it back underground. It's expensive enough that it's almost always cheaper to avoid burning fossil fuels in the first place, but the idea is seen by the fossil fuels industry as giving them social permission to keep on extracting, burning, and dumping CO2 in the atmosphere
@silence7 @neanderthal
Generally, the fossil fuel industry needs to bury its idea's deep deep underground where they can't hurt anybody.
If we had governments that knew what they were doing & had the power, they'd set a future date by which time the fuel industries will be closed down (permanently)
That would motivate the type of transition needed to prevent a worsening #ClimateCrisis
Its amazing what society could do if decision makers were up against a dead line (prevent death line)
@silence7 @neanderthal
I've heard that back in the day when rivers where polluted as hell, there was this simple idea that made it into policy: an industry must draw water downstream from where they dump their liquid waste. If they wanted clean water, they had to filter it before releasing it back into the river.
Could a simple rule like this be enforced: if an industry is to dump anything into the atmosphere, they must intake any air consumed from that same spot.
Applying this to ICE cars would stall the engine. When applied to the cabin, it would kill the passengers. Diluting it into the air only postpones the problem. This "externality" has come due and it's expensive. Best to cut losses and stop pouring exhaust fumes into the air.
#WarOnCars #CO2
@albertcardona @silence7 @neanderthal It seems that most of our current problems could be solved by "internalising" externalities.
@szakib @silence7 @neanderthal
When externalities in beef production in the US get internalized into the cost to consumers, meat will become unaffordable, the whole industry would collapse. Likely a good thing.
Consider subsidies to oil exploration, oil production, oil transportation, corn, corn processing, and tax cuts to all of these.