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Paramedics Found Guilty in Last Trial in Elijah McClain Death (www.nytimes.com)
submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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Two Colorado paramedics were convicted of criminally negligent homicide in the 2019 death of Elijah McClain, a young unarmed Black man whose case drew national attention and forced public safety reforms in the city where he lived and died.

A mostly white jury found the paramedics, Peter Cichuniec and Jeremy Cooper, guilty of a more serious charge they faced. But the jury split on two lesser assault charges: They cleared Mr. Cooper of both assault charges, but convicted Mr. Cichuniec of one of those charges, second-degree assault for the unlawful administration of drugs.

The men had injected Mr. McClain with the powerful sedative ketamine while he was in police custody in Aurora, Colo., which doctors said left him near death. He died days later in the hospital.

The trial was a rare prosecution of paramedics, and raised the question of the role that medical personnel play in police encounters and whether they could be held criminally responsible for their actions.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Ego is set aside, for the discussion. I am here to discuss this intelligently like you requested. So to clarify, we don’t know the situations we are walking into and only have a few minutes to make decisions.

So, it is much easier and safer for everyone to sedate someone.

Why I said this is the guy was fighting with law enforcement and throwing up. This doesn’t have to be his fault but how are we to determine this isn’t a brain bleed? (I don’t remember where I read it but) Mix in him potentially going in and out of consciousness and it would be irresponsible to not intervene, any excess stimulation will make a brain bleed worse.

Should we just let people die fighting with law enforcement?

I don’t have any authority and I have no desire to hold any authority, nor do I conform to the us vs them mentality, however law enforcement isn’t shy about slamming heads onto the ground. As with my previous statement, if they slammed his head into the ground and kept fighting, then he may not have started with a brain bleed but may have developed one.

Also in the context of dosing, another comment says he is 140lbs or 63.6 kg. If dosing is 5mg/kg the dose would be 318mg. The other comment says 320-350mg. Sure if I round to 64kg I’d get 320mg but we are talking about this situation with nothing but time. Although I will give you that 500mg was a bit extreme of an estimation.

They did change, they removed ketamine from the units.

I don’t think this is in the best interests of the patients that the agency serves and I hope it isn’t a reactionary decision to shift liability away from doing adequate training in the r department. I think it would have been more appropriate to re-evaluate the protocols and maybe do some retraining or just limit it to airway management or online medical control orders only.

Also I appreciate the discussion, I’m not trying to arm chair this call. I am actively avoiding commenting on whether I think they did things appropriately or not because I don’t have the information I need to determine that. I don’t jump on the blame train without knowing more. I can think that there isn’t a reasonable situation that I can think of to justify this, but I don’t want to jump to blaming anyone without all the information.

I agree a horrible thing happened and discussion will not bring the patient back. Whole we might not be able to bring the patient back but we should learn from the situation to prevent it from happening again.