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Version longue en français: https://www.bortzmeyer.org/coupure-russie.html

Several ISPs in France have started censoring rt.com via their DNS resolver.

Why are they doing this? I guess officially they'll say it's because of Russian propaganda about Ukraine, and that's partially correct.

But also worth pointing out is that despite very uncritical propaganda from the regime about what happens in Russia, RT is one of the only mass media (non-independent publication) where you can have decent news about social uproar in France (gilets jaunes, anti-police-abuse riots, etc).

We haven't reached the point where posts to RT are censored on social media (where it's most popular) so i can't exactly say we have "one side" to the news yet but it's getting closer.

This message is both a fuck you to french ISPs engaging in censorship (remember Sci-Hub? TPB?) and a reminder to all the Putin fanboys around here what "there's only one side to the news" really means: Russia is already there (there's a few independent publications but they've been struggling for years with State censorship and journalist assassinations) and France is getting closer (on the other side of the narrative). The rest of you who live in countries with more free speech can't even realize what information control means so please don't take these words lightly.

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Wrong facts. NATO's eastward expansion has been going on since 1959, and we are not living in 1989. That 0.2% crap is spouted on Lemmy by people, so I wrote about that.

How much influence does Wagner Group have in government and military, can you tell me? Because Azov Battalion and Banderites are gods in Ukraine. You can also check the history of "slava ukraini" phrase.

You are not exactly arguing in good faith, so it is over from me too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wrong facts. NATO's eastward expansion has been going on since 1959, and we are not living in 1989.

Between 1959 and 1998 only Spain became a new NATO member (see your own graphic) which I would hardly call eastward expansion 🤨

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Between 1959 and 1998 only Spain became a new NATO member (see your own graphic) which I would hardly call eastward expansion 🤨

You calling something "hardly" does not matter. After all, Ukraine is also just 1 country by your logic, just like Spain, right? I like your intent here, when I meant 1949 and not 1959 to demonstrate NATO expansion, you just went ahead with wordsmith weaseling.

Also, you are wrong. It looks to me more than just Spain.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You calling something "hardly" does not matter. After all, Ukraine is also just 1 country by your logic, just like Spain, right?

My point was rather that Spain is in the far west of Europe and therefore I would hardly call it eastward expansion.

I meant 1949 and not 1959 to demonstrate NATO expansion

Makes more sense in that case, especially considering Greece and Turkey.

Also, I think, one can debate whether German reunification in 1990 counts as expansion since the 2+4 treaty states that no NATO troops may be placed permanently in eastern Germany and as far as I know this was not violated yet.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

My point was rather that Spain is in the far west of Europe and therefore I would hardly call it eastward expansion.

To the east of US and UK, the colonial masters of Anglosphere, is everything else on the east side of theirs. Hence it is eastwards expansion, but I can see why you are arguing semantically in bad faith.

EDIT: WAIT A FUCKING SECOND

According to historical research, Stepan Bandera was an agent of the Abwehr (intelligence and counterintelligence of the Armed forces of Nazi Germany - the Wehrmacht). According to several sources, in early 1941, he held a number of meetings with the leadership of the German military intelligence, which resulted in the beginning of the formation of the battalions "Nachtigall" and "Roland".

Why is your username nachtigall?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why is your username nachtigall?

See this comment from 2 month ago. Never heard of Stepan Bandera and the battalion before.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 years ago

So you never heard of Bandera and the battalion, and claim to have a say on current matters? This must be a joke, right?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's hilarious that the Azov Battalion was formed from a bunch of racist rednecks because Russia invaded Crimea. And now you use it as the justification to for another invasion? Russia needs to learn to stay in it's lane.

As for Wagner Group, it is directly operated as a thinly veiled proxy army. They are a Kremlin asset whose leaders flash Nazi insignia as much as those Azov yokels. I wonder how the Ukrainian denazifacation of Wagner is going in Kyiv? Three foiled assassination attempts so far...

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

NATO should have stayed in its lane since 1959 for 6 decades. Russia is correct in what it is doing, and Ukraine must no longer be tolerated with having a US puppet government installed since 2014 Maidan coup.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What the west should have done was Marshal Plan eastern Europe. Build them up with loans and investments rather let them wallow in corruption and poverty. Look at Japan and Germany today, compared to Russia. It was a cruel, conscious choice to use them as a cheap labor stock. And now we have to deal with the results: peace in our time? Or checking an aggressor before he starts World War III.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

NATO was the aggressor. Also check what Hague Invasion Act is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ha ha, yep, NATO scared Putin so much he invaded an unaligned nation in response. Nobody cares to invade Russia. Russia would be a NATO member, if it wasn't trapped in the cold war mentality of Putin. What do you get in return? Finland 2.0? Afghanistan 2.0? And a new batch of EU and NATO members. Putin has outmaneuvered himself.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Actually no, Russia will just become strong this way, leaving US-EU English Fascism in despair in long term. Ukraine would have become Afghanistan 2.0 if NATO was allowed to take over.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As strong North Korea? They're totally dependent on China, too. Ukraine is Russia's next Afghanistan. Remember that fiasco? When American made Stingers cleared the sky of Spetsnaz helicopters? Does that sound familiar?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

More like China. Also, North Korea was unironically a result of USA's bombing. Russia is not a genocidal state like USA or Western coloniser states have been, stop projecting. Who carpet bombed Serbia and Yugoslavia for 78 days? Does that ring any bells?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Who genocided the muslim populations of the USSR? Was it the USA and western colonizers too? Does that ring any bells? From the wikipedia page on Deportation of Chechens and Ingush:

The deportation was prepared from at least October 1943 and 19,000 officers as well as 100,000 NKVD soldiers from all over the USSR participated in this operation. The deportation encompassed their entire nations, as well as the liquidation of the Checheno-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. The demographic consequences of this eviction were catastrophic and far reaching: of the 496,000 Chechens and Ingush who were deported (according to Soviet archives; Chechen sources put the deportees at 650,000[1]), at least a quarter perished. In total, the archive records show that over a hundred thousand people died or were killed during the round-ups and transportation, and during their early years in exile in the Kazakh and Kyrgyz SSR as well as Russian SFSR where they were sent to the many forced settlements. Chechen sources claim that 400,000 died, while presuming a higher number of deportees.

Just because western empires are evil does not mean other empires have to be good.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Can we talk about French genocide of Algeria? Or USA's ongoing genocide of Yemen since many years? Just because hurrdurr blablabla. I am not morally corrupt to play this grifty game, even though I can play it better than you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can we talk about French genocide of Algeria? Or USA’s ongoing genocide of Yemen since many years?

Please do. We've been talking about it for years, but more conversation/information is always welcome.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 years ago

Then why did you downvote me? Because you talk something else and mean something else.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ukraine would have become Afghanistan 2.0 if NATO was allowed to take over.

Are you saying that western powers were planning a military invasion of Ukraine? This makes no sense, as there was no major military deployment indicating it, nor was there any psyops in the west to mount a narrative justifying such invasion.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 years ago

Western powers, specifically USA, had installed their own puppet in Ukraine in 2014 over a phone call, without any elections. And years of installation of military and warfare equipment, and the ongoing supply that has stopped only after Russia made it clear no US puppetry or NATO-isation will be allowed, Europe stopped sending equipment.

I have no reason to believe you are not lying at this point to defend NATO, so I will just try to avoid you in this matter. No use playing chess with pigeons.