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[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (2 children)

No you won't. If it actually happens, only the ones that followed the word of God get to go. Not the ones that twisted it, or were rich while poor existed.

Hardly anyone will get to go.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Have you read the book?? God is a controlling psycho mass murderer. Those people will get in.

The rest of the book, with the good bits, is just to make the idiots complacent.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"I don't like Christianity, therefore the Bible is not canon to itself."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

The Bible isn't even self-consistent, let alone canon.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Current Bible has been rewritten a bunch of times by different people. Definitely not canon.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's not a millenia-long game of whisper down the lane. We have access to the original text. And we still cross-reference different translations to be sure.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Uh, aren't the original texts that were compiled to make the bible long gone? What "original texts" are you referring to? A cursory search couldn't find anything except Christian pages saying the original texts no longer exist.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It's authoritative but not original. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoretic_Text

It was primarily copied, edited, and distributed by a group of Jews known as the Masoretes between the 7th and 10th centuries of the Common Era (CE).

The differences attested to in the Dead Sea Scrolls indicate that multiple versions of the Hebrew scriptures already existed by the end of the Second Temple period.[1] Which is closest to a theoretical Urtext is disputed, as is whether such a singular text ever existed.

That text is the best we have, but is not original. Plus, it's disputed as to whether there was ever one "original", since the bible is a compilation of various texts which may not have had the exact same text all together in one book as an original.

The text you have linked is from hundreds of years after there would have been an original.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Huh, good to know, thanks.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I guess you’re choosing to ignore the generations of Jews who kept the tradition and texts alive.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

The original claim was:

It’s not a millenia-long game of whisper down the lane. We have access to the original text. And we still cross-reference different translations to be sure.

All I said is that the original texts are long gone. Sure the generations of Jews kept the word of God and traditions alive, but we don't have the original texts. We have the Masoretic text, and we know that is different to what was in use prior because of the Dead Sea Scrolls found in the 1940s and 50s that were mostly the same but with some differences. And the Dead Sea Scolls were not original either, with scrolls found from different Jewish sects.

The different scripts were also written at different times, separated by at least many hundreds of years.

We may have different ideas of what "original" means. In my view, "generations of Jews who kept the tradition and texts alive" is quite different from having the original texts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

And? That's still a group of people claiming to be God's chosen who have nothing but their own political-religious historical texts to draw that conclusion from.

If a Swede claimed they were Odin's chosen people, would you just immediately accept that their God is real?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

If by "original text" you mean "the first full version which was written over a century after the proclaimed event."

We have like four words and one corner of papyri from Mark in the first century, not exactly a bulletproof passdown.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't it specify something like 131,000 people?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Are you talking about Jehovah's Witnesses? I believe the number was 144,000. Long since passed, btw, IDK how they get new converts any more.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Because a dozen dozen thousand was basically their way of saying a billion million brazilian. It was senselessly large in their eyes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is that the one where you get your own planet?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I believe that one is mormons.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

And they don’t even provide it anymore. When’s the last time someone stole a planet from you?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Have to go**

I think you mean