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[–] [email protected] 73 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Fuck vegan absolutists, the fact that you're trying is enough

[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I am firmly of the belief that most of the issues in the meat/dairy industry would be resolved if everyone simply consumed less of them as opposed to becoming vegan. That's how I live my life and I've gotten praises from doctors and nutrition specialists about my diet. Exercise is another thing tho....

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Right, that's what I tell people too. I still eat fish on occasion, and if I order food to go and it's accidentally meat, I will eat it to not waste it.

Have had a few relatives look at me blankly, like they've never considered it, when I tell them they don't NEED to be vegetarian but reducing meat/dairy requires little effort. Sometimes they will send me pictures of the reduced meat meals they make now, which I think is so cute haha. Meat even just as a side dish and not the main course goes a long way :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Me and my partner do this. We often eat vegan food but if we add a bit of cheese it doesn’t matter. We’ve still consumed way less meat and dairy than we would have a few years ago

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Animals would still be getting exploited and killed tho

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is animals getting killed for food an issue in essence?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yes, needless killing is bad.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

People aren't consuming less, though, they're consuming more. Global meat consumption is still rising. Despite supporting myself on a retail-industry income, I'm still able to be 100% vegan, and support zero animal cruelty.
Less is great. None is best. Your only rationale in your comment for why eating less animal products is better than going completely vegan is... that's the way you live so you want that to be the case?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Me too, but I think we need an actual budget rather than doing it by feeling. The 2t carbon budget is a good start.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Trying is good but very real animals are still suffering for eggs and cheese.

Is it really wrong to think that the right amount of animal cruelty is none?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago

Reducing without a strict diet is much easier for people. Small wins. If you can make a "I only eat meat, what are veggies?" person reduce their meat intake at all, that's a super big win. Changing your entire meal prep is a huge undertaking and most people just won't do it because it's too overwhelming. Reducing meat to a side, and being more mindful? Way easier.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Chickens just lay eggs. It's just a thing they do. The factory chicken farms are fucked and shouldn't exist but ethical eggs are a thing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They've been bred to lay an extreme amount of unnaturally big eggs.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Either way they are still going to lay those eggs if they exist.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

? Then its time to stop breeding them like that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

I think even ethical eggs end up with some amount of suffering or premature death. Like those videos of the baby chicks being ground up.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

A large portion of health issues and causes of death chickens face are egg related. Sometimes the eggs get stuck, sometimes they break before being laid and cause an infection, vent prolapse, cancer, etc. That's not to say I don't think we should eat eggs, with a lot of cooking there is just no good substitute, but even the most pampered hen doesn't have it easy.