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Read and un-tick. Not convoluted or hard. If you care about telemetry (or even know what telemetry is) then you can’t call this convoluted or hard.

Yeah, sure. But if you want to completely disable telemetry than it's good as nothing.

Office still sells as a standalone version if that’s what you want. That’s also not a Windows thing.

It's the same company, and they've shown intent for doing this to Windows. But yeah, it isn't a Windows thing.

“Heavy pressure” lol. Most people like this because it gives you things like full background backups of your data and ease of use.

Just because people like it doesn't mean they have to push it down their throats. If they like the feature, they can use it. I haven't setup Windows in a while but last time I did I had to put in "[email protected]" or something, that no regular user would know about, to get a local account. That's heavy pressure, because I can guarantee 99% of people going through OOBE wouldn't know about that.

But windows being windows means you can move it wherever you want with third party software.

Yeah but why remove it? Also, sounds like you would love GNOME.

Good thing edge is installed by default then. Windows Search is intrinsically tied to Bing because that’s their search engine, and their browser uses bing by default.

First of all, there is no easy way to disable Bing in Windows Search. That's a huge concern for anyone who cares about their privacy, because nearly everything you type into Windows Search is sent to Microsoft servers. Secondly, why does it have to use Bing? All they have to do is add a setting to add your own search engine. It isn't that hard. Thirdly, as the other comment said, Windows has a default browser setting. Search just chooses to ignore it. But that's fine, I guess, because it's all Microsoft! They can do whatever they want, because it's their OS, not yours. Even if you paid nearly $200 for it. This is why Microsoft should've been broken up into to companies, one for the OS, one for the apps. There is a clear conflict of interest between here, and if you can't see it, you must be pouring bleach in your eyes. Anyway, I'll get off my high horse now.

lol come on, this is ridiculous. You don’t have to use OneDrive at all.

Yeah but they make it really easy to just use it. I don't really have much of a refutation for this one, never used OneDrive.

What “storage bloat”? “Excessive hardware requirements”? lol the language you use is so intentionally inflammatory to try and make even the tiniest thing seem like a show stopper. Most people don’t even care about “support” - they run whatever version of windows is on their machine until it dies. Again - if you care about support, you can’t complain about this stuff.

Storage bloat is an issue. Windows takes up 20GB just for a clean install (source) and just keeps getting larger. A non-clean Fedora Silverblue install on the other hand takes up just 7.5GB. Storage space isn't infinite, even today there are plenty of laptops being sold where Windows takes up nearly a tenth of their storage space. And so are excessive hardware requirements. Windows 11 doesn't need a TPM, but Microsoft makes money off of nearly every computer sale, so now it does. And even if it does truly need some high requirements, then that is just an indictment of the quality of the operating system.

It’s definitely easier too though.

This one is hard to refute, because usually everyone's experience with Linux is influenced by their previous experience with Windows/macOS. I have installed Linux on some friends' computers where they needed to get a new laptop anyway because Windows was unusably slow, and they picked it up right away. I did use Cinnamon and Plasma in two instances so yes, they are heavily based on Windows' design, but you cannot argue it wasn't easier. On a side note, I'd really be interested in studies over which is easier, for people who have never used a desktop operating system before.

Windows installs are like 5 mouse clicks lol.

You're not even trying. No, they aren't. And I won't say Linux installs are either. But a Windows install requires you to install once or twice during the install process itself, not to mention after for drivers (foreshadowing!). You also, if you don't care for Microsoft bullshit, have to fight with Cortana, fight for a local account, disable all the opt out telemetry, not that that disables everything, and navigate using buttons with no contrast against the background. Even the Fedora installer, Anaconda, which is getting a redesign because of its complexity, just requires you to select your language, hard drive, maybe some network and user settings, and then restarts (for the only time) to get network or user settings if it didn't already. All that without telemetry to disable, hard to see buttons, and (nearly) forced online accounts. And also, is so much quicker.

Yeah, because the OS is barebones and useless to most people.

That's a straw man if I've ever seen one. Linux distros (tend to) have live environments, Windows doesn't. I can't be bothered to refute the straw man, because it just isn't true.

Oh no, you have to log in to a computer that you’ve just installed windows on? The nerve of these people!

This one may be minor, but it's still a problem not present for most Linux users.

Sure, because it vaguely resembles an old Windows UI. Then they’d start using it and realize that doing anything other than using what’s pre-installed is much harder.

Again, this goes back to the issue that most people have used Windows before, and want or expect a similar experience. And not all distros do. A lot of them radically simplify the experience for more ease of use, completely ignoring any Windows designs.

I honestly appreciate the effort you've put in to continuing the discussion. I'm happy to concede that I evidently will not get you, personally, to admit that there's a single thing hostile to the user about Microsoft Windows.

I'm just kind of intrigued as to what your experience of Linux is that you're so certain it's not an alternative for Windows? I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you've got some experience with Linux. However, your comments about it being 'barebones' or saying Linux has 'an old Windows UI' make me feel as if you might not have.

Furthermore I'm happy to be sold the positive case for Windows as software. I'll let you know I'd view arguments along the lines of it coming 'pre-installed' more as an endorsement of Microsoft's business practices than Windows as software.