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In the end, the KIA car company made its cars into subscription models, I really hate this because in the end the car we buy with our own money doesn't feel like it belongs to us. Should we finally buy an old school car ? so as not to be affected by this subscription models or is there a way to crack the software installed in it ?
Simple. Buy an older car and spend the extra money maintaining it. Reducing demand is the only language consumers have that businesses understand.
It doesn't have to be ancient; even 5-10 year old cars don't have this bullshit.
Honestly, doesn't even have to be old. My Toyota Yaris is a 2023 model and it has no subscriptions. Such cars still exist, but they are mostly in the lower end market, because automakers assume if you have the money for an expensive car you also have the money for a subscription.
The list of manufacturers I can morally buy from is ever shrinking... Soon Dacia will be the sole manufacturer I could buy from without weird BS attached.
Kia and Ford were EVs I considered but ultimately turned down.
You could say that's... great news.
Yes and no, I'm never happy about having less options. Plus my boycott does very little.
My "dream" car is a V6 Accord from the last year they made them, which I think is 2016. I'd buy one of those right now and just keep repairing it, and hope no one t-bones me. Unfortunately I think my wife is still in the mindset of "we should buy a new car and keep it forever", which used to be my mindset, too. But she's not seeing the news on this stuff like I am, either. I suspect if I explained "heated seat subscription" to her (a feature she will not buy a car without) she would object strenuously.
But I don't like where new cars are going, at all. I don't like subscriptions, I don't like the backseat driver nanny features that blare out false alarms, and on the whole I'd rather not have adaptive cruise control (there are times when adaptive cruise is nice, but overall I prefer the old-style cruise control).
We have a 2020 Mazda that I absolutely hate driving; if that is the future of cars, I'm not interested.
I'm hoping my car and our pickup last forever. The other day we took the Mazda for an errand in poor weather because, as I said, "It's the most expendable car."
Just don't buy a 5-10 year old Kia or Nissan. Nearly every one on the road is going to have their engine sieze or transmission have issues
Could you unpack the Why?
Not even 5 years man my 2022 is nice and doesn't have subscriptions.
I mean okay but in 5-10 years these are going to be those older cars.
We're talking about now 🙄
Yeah, the point is, do it now and change the status quo, because later, it will be too late.
The comment you're replying says to buy older cars so we're not buying the new cars, hence decreasing the demand.
I agree with that. And my point being "Start the movement (of buying older cars instead of new ones) now and change the status quo (of high demand for new cars) while also being able to get older cars that cannot be subscriptionified, because later, even the older cars will be such, that they will have a subsciption, making even 2nd handers to pay the OEM".
Change the status quo now and stop buying cars. Move to walkable Transit orientated communities where you don't need one. Stop supporting this shitty industry that's always been pay to play with gas / electricity, insurance, maintenance, payments.
It seems already too late for that movement - at least in places like the more "developed" states in the US.
I use a bicycle for commute btw.
Which is why we have to stop it now if we don't want unfeatures.
A jeep from ww1 can still function today with regular care a maintenance, and so can a 5-10 year old car. The point isn't the age, it's how you treat the vehicle.
Yeah but in 100 years the cars from 5 years from now will be 95 years old