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Gen Z boys and men more likely than baby boomers to believe feminism harmful, says poll
(www.theguardian.com)
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Seriously doubt this (and most polling these days). Gen Z is particularly unlikely to respond to polls or answer unknown callers in general. Until those issues in polling are solved, I take them with a grain of salt.
Looks like this was an online poll where you get paid if randomly selected:
https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/masculinity-and-womens-equality-study-finds-emerging-gender-divide-in-young-peoples-attitudes
For what it's worth, there's a recent Gallup survey showing a similar trend that published a couple weeks ago:
https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-gender-gap-young-men-women-dont-agree-politics-2024-1
That's an interesting thing to note. If the people more likely to approve of Tate and his message are the ones looking for easy money then that could indicate a degree of selection bias.
The existence and popularity of people like Tate and toxic dating strategy shit might be an indication of how Gen Z is handling misogyny. It's possible Gen Z hasn't been exposed to misogyny in such heavy doses as the rest of us. Seeing your peers undervalued and objectified could sort of be an inoculation. There also might be a perquisite strong belief in equality component.
For things like feminism, the battle is never over. Insidious ideals like misogyny needs to be constantly kept in check.
Your first link disagrees with the article you posted...
It sounds like the only change is you get women are more supportive of feminism than older women...
The first link is the study the article cites to. Also, I don't think there's a disagreement. The portion you cited refers specifically to "toxic masculinity," whereas the article focuses on people's reactions to "feminism." Specifically, it mentions that 16% of Gen Z males felt feminism had done more harm than good, compared to 13% among those over 60, to support its claim.
Looked at the pdf ...
For 16-29, it's 5%
So yeah, still not sure why you're using a string of different articles, but they don't agree with you main post bud...
I'm not sure what you're arguing anymore. I said the article focuses on the "feminism" portion of the study. This new portion you cited to is about "equal opportunities." Look at page 15 of the PDF where it specifically shows 16% for men aged 16-29 vs. 13% for men aged 60+ with respect to "feminism" (the point of the article).
Thank!
I saw the survey was just British respondents, but I didn't know that question was specifically about British culture...
Sorry, it's really hard to follow all the omissions and misrepresentations a survey went thru to get to the post you decided should be the main one.
But yeah, older people are going to remember what it was like 40 years ago and can see the good feminism has done.
A teenager would have know first hand knowledge how bad it was even a decade ago.
No worries! Sorry if my tone sounded harsh. Yeah, I agree with you that new articles can sometimes have tunnel vision.
and how many people will click on an ad or email saying you'll get paid to take a poll?
is that a representative portion of the population or a very niche subgroup of desperate, gullible or extremely bored people?
how/where was it advertised?
...
polls don't have to be bullshit, but they always are...
It sounds like you are sent the poll by snailmail and/or you are "recruited" that way and are then sent multiple polls over sometime.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/uk-knowledgepanel
It's hard to get random people's emails and still be sure that the samling is good. This way seems more reliable. The few serious polls I have ever been sent by the National Bureau of Statistics has always been sent by snailmail (or technically digital snailmail which is connected to my digital ID)
do you mean e-mail? or is this some UK thing?
No, it's a free service you sign up for which delivers all the snailmail you get from governments and others to a digital mailbox instead. It's like instant snailmail.
It functions using an app or website instead of email, so you login by verifying your ID and not a password. I think the service is fairly common where I live.
You can also get some receipts via that service.
The service automatically organises all your mail into folders for each sender and separately for receipts and payments. Sender folders wouldn't work well for email because you get email for a lot of people and companies but with this service I have only collected 16 different senders over 3 years.
You can also share your digital mailbox with other people.
It's very convenient and saves time and paper. So I highly recommend checking if anything similar exists where you live.
I don't live in the UK so I don't know if they have anything like it.
so... they scan and digitize your mail for you?
No, they send it through the service. Nothing ever gets printed.
The different companies and government organisations do have to support it though.
There are a few different companies that deliver the same service, the biggest (and first?) one is apparently used by almost half of the country's population. Pretty much every service supports all the governmental organisations. Company support varies more.
One of the smaller (not small) service provider is owned by the goverment. I am thinking of switching to that one but I haven't bother yet.
Apparently at least one of the smaller providers supports scanning of all physical mail but I have never had that.
If you pay me to answer your poll, I'll answer it however you want me to.
Truthfully?
Of course not. Why would I care about telling the truth as long as I was getting paid?
You just said you'd answer it however they want you to. The way they want you to is truthfully.
LOL, this dude's been lucky enough to never read a strategically worded political poll apparently.
All polls are inherently biased in their wording. Almost no poll-makers are non-partisan, and the people most likely to complete polls are often the most biased.
Statistics baybeee! They'll tell you whatever you want if you structure your intake datum properly!
So why did women and men respond completely differently, if not because... they feel that way?
Got eem
I think you know what I meant.
What you meant is being communicated clearly. Why you think it’s some sort of conspiracy against big feminism or some shit is the confusing part.
They just want you to answer the poll legitimately.
Then why are they paying people to respond?
So they respond.
If you don't pay people then you're only going to get people who are really enthusiastic about it to respond. If you actually compensate them for their time then people will take time out of their day to talk about something they probably don't care about.
Id say to make a group of people generally averse to participating in such polls, participate.
Why do people participate in any such polls? Because they think their opinion is important and want it heard, or because they get something. Market researchers usually give test groups their products for free or at a discount. Researchers pay people to participate in studies. Most humans don’t do things without motivation.
No, I don't. You said you'd do whatever they want if they paid you, then immediately said you wouldn't do it truthfully if they paid you to answer truthfully. It's nonsensical.
I’ll select the first option for everything. Give me my AppleBee’s coupon!!
So is it just the men who are lying 'to get paid', or are the women too?
I didn't say they were lying to get paid, I said if someone paid me, I would answer however they wanted me to answer. I speak for no one but myself.
Then why are boomers immune to the pollster's secret agenda?
I don't remember saying they had a secret agenda.
Good polling can be formated in a way to weed out people giving nonsense answers, it's like the first thing you learn about polling in sociology or psychology, how to extract quality data.
But they didn't tell you how they wanted you to answer, I guess...
Do you have any reason to believe zoomers' willingness to respond to polls (compared to other zoomers) is correlated with their views on feminism?
There are multiple studies showing the same thing. Denying it isn't going to change anything.
The result is not to my liking, it must be wrong.
That is NOT what they are saying. They are suggesting that the methodology may have been wrong, which is a perfectly reasonable question that EVERY person should ask themselves EVERY SINGLE TIME they hear about a study releasing results.
Yeah, the privacy-minded socially-averse demographic is a well-documented stronghold of feminist support.