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[–] [email protected] 93 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Yeah, subby. We get it. "Both sides are bad." But one side is boring corporatists who don't give a crap and the other side is 100% concentrated evil fascists, authoritarians and religious nutjobs. And while that's a choice between the lesser of two evils, it's not a difficult one.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That may have been the point of the original comic, but given the caption, I think OP's point wasn't that both sides are bad, but was that a two party system is inherently biased towards corporate capture.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

That’s the problem with this “both sides” take. Yes, there is no true leftist party in the US. They’re both corporatists. The Republicans are undeniably much worse, though. Anti-union, anti other labor rights, oppose every kind of social safety net, want to privatize (loot) and profit from public assets, are thoroughly in favor of racist classist policies of every type imaginable. Some democrats are too, but ALL republicans are like that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We do get it. It's obvious. It's so obvious that the only people still supporting FPTP are in favor of it; they don't give a crap about selling us out to fascists.

And the "not fascists" angle worked a lot better when they weren't aiding a genocide.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

aiding a genocide

As opposed to the alternative who is in rabid support of multiple genocides...? You are SO smart and totally know what you are talking about.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Nobody here is disputing that the Republicans are fascists.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And while that’s a choice between the lesser of two evils, it’s not a difficult one.

There's other choices. Moderates and Biden could choose to compromise with leftists and progressives any time. But all signs point to them preferring to lose to fascists a second time.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No, there are two choices. It sucks and nobody likes it but if you don't vote for a Dem you are giving a vote to a Rep. Cut the crap.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

nobody likes it

Moderates like it just fine. They're happy continuing to elect awful pro-corporate, strike blocking, genocide supporting piece of shit candidates and then expecting leftists and progressives to support them in the general. If moderates didn't like it they would have voted for one of the many alternatives in the 2020 primaries.

You need to cut the crap. Stop lecturing leftists and progressives and giving moderates a free pass. Moderates are the majority voting bloc for Democrats and thus they take the lions share of the responsibility. Spend your effort lecturing them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm further left than you but anyone with a brain knows that it's a two party system and any vote for any other party is just pissing in the ocean. Find change inside the party with progressives but at the end of the day you (unfortunately) either vote blue or red or you might as well not vote at all.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You can call yourself whatever you want but if at the end of the day you vote like a moderate your beliefs make no difference.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But if you vote for a fringe party your beliefs matter more?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

No. I'm fine with voting 3rd party or writing in knowing they'll likely not be elected. Are moderates fine with Biden losing to Trump? If not then they need to find some policy to compromise on in order to encourage progressives and leftists to vote for Biden again. We compromised in 2020 and voted for Joe Biden in the general. We've gotten fuck all for it. It's time for a compromise in the other direction. There's no point for us to stand around a table when moderates refuse to give us a seat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Good luck endlessly lecturing leftists and progressives while giving moderates a free pass being selfish pieces of shit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Let's talk when someone other than a dictator wannabe has secured the presidency.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Corporations pay evil fascists to be evil fascist so you could choose "lesser evil"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sounds in no way like qanon level dipshittery

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Sounds like average election candidates in Russia.

  1. Stalinist
  2. Member of LDPR
  3. "Let's calm down" member of United Russia
  4. Noname(if lucky)

UR always makes themselves to look like lesser evil. "Look at these clowns", "old thief is fed up, new one will be hungry and steal more", "look how experienced we are". If they don't have 1, 2 or 4th, they will make their own janitor to run against them, so they will look like "lesser evil".

Btw janitor won.