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Valve fans are like Apple fans (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/15970074

Valve:

popularized DRM on PC

killed the used games market on PC

bans people for selling their Steam account

contributed to popularizing microtransactions, loot boxes and Battle Pass

forces you to run a proprietary app to play your games

forces updates on you

pretends they invented Wine

ships devices with a proprietary SteamOS

forces devs to use proprietary libraries to use Steam's features

Gamers:
Yes uncle Gaben more of that please!!!

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

People deserve to be able to control their own devices, but you are saying that we should be happy if they can get only some control? Having to run even one program that you can't control is bad. So I see no reason why I should be happy with that. I see no reason why we should lower our standards and let somebody get away with doing unethical things to us. We can do much better than that. Hurd is irrelevant and we don't need it. We certainly don't need to let Valve abuse us.

You are right that the world isn't black and white, but proprietary software and libre software are incompatible ideas. You can't have freedom when someone is actively trying to take it away from you. Developers of proprietary software are our enemies and we can't support them. If we let developers have power over us, they will abuse it. It's been happening for decades and it will never stop. We need to work on making our society less dependent on non free software, not find ways to sustain our dependence. If you want to run a proprietary game on your system that's your choice, but we don't have to pretend that the developer of that game isn't doing something unethical and that there isn't an ethical way.

I also don’t think people will take much more abuse, the EU is also pushing back hard against abusive US companies.

Yes, but it's not good enough by itself. It's nice that Windows users can now uninstall Edge or whatever, but it's only in EU and that's just one of many terrible things Microsoft has been doing to their users. It is a small improvement and I'm glad they are doing something (other than spending lots of money on funding free software projects every year), but the law is not enough.

We will keep enough freedom. It’s a gradient.

But you are not just proposing a journey to freedom. You are proposing that we should accept proprietary software and praise companies that develop it, because it will somehow give us more freedom in the future. You want us to support the same type of abuse that we need to get away from.