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[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Should we wish China to de-exist because of the Yangzhou massacre of 1645?

There's a pretty clean break between the PRC and the Chinese dynasties of the 17th century. I'd have to brush up on my history but that's borderline pre-Qing even. Very different than holding the U.S. (or Australia, etc.) to account for a genocide it did under the same constitution and form of government it has today.

There are modern injustices happening today which we should occupy ourselves with, not meaningless finger-pointing.

I don't think it's meaningless finger-pointing to say that the continuing harm the U.S. (or Australia, etc.) is doing to indigenous people (among others) is a live issue that should be addressed. Israel actively killing people right now does not mean those other wrongs should be dismissed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Of course those wrongs should not be dismissed. Those are serious wrongs and need to be fixed. I'm of the belief that the entire western world needs to be dismantled and it's causing great harm. But "occupying other people's land" is not a good justification here, since that land has by and large traded hands many generations ago. Israel is different.

I do not wish to see hundreds of millions of non-indigenous people shipped out of North America back to wherever their ancestors used to live in order to re-establish the sovereignty of a small minority of people. Let's solve inequality and inequity in sane and non-violent ways instead.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I do not wish to see hundreds of millions of non-indigenous people shipped out of North America back to wherever their ancestors used to live

Who's calling for this?

When people said "the Russian Empire should not exist" in 1915 they were talking about replacing the existing political structure with something like the USSR, not depopulating the country in its entirety.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

People's nationalist brainworms go so deep they immediately conflate people with the state.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Fair enough. I wouldn't be entirely opposed to depopulating Israel though (if some safe way to do this were possible).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is also not what the overwhelming majority of Palestinians want.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

It would not be my preferred solution either.