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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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TracingWoodgrains launches a defense of Manifest's controversial reputation, all without betraying a basic understanding of what the word "controversial" means. (forum.effectivealtruism.org)
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...And if it weren't for that one joke by Hannibal, Bill Cosby would be very uncontroversial.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

TracingWoodgrains seems to have developed, in the process of leaving mormonism, an obsession with seeking out contrarianism. But more importantly, he ~~openly admits to being racist/HBD~~ "align[s] broadly with informed experts that the distribution of genetic traits associated with intelligence is non-zero" and "questions of genetics and IQ, including when it comes to group differences, are worth taking seriously". As such, he only considers it "racism" if it's "racial crassness and antagonism".

In which TW names who he thinks is treating the topic with the seriousness it demands without sinking to crassness: our good good friend Cremieux.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

align[s] broadly with informed experts that the distribution of genetic traits associated with intelligence is non-zero

Now I'm not the smartest cookie in the bakery but I know a dog-whistle when I see it!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

no type of racist is more rabid than the genteel racist

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

the distribution of genetic traits associated with intelligence is non-zero

This doesn't even make sense. What the fuck is a zero distribution? A probability distribution cannot be "zero" in any sensible meaning of the word. Did you mean uniform?

Also obv citation needed you sack of spuds.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think he is trying to say something like "non-zero skew", but really, he just means "I subscribe to race science, but only for the articles".

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think you're being too generous. What they wanted to say is "There are genetic traits associated with intelligence." However, not inserting probability distributions in every fucking sentence is a class 2 misdemeanor in Rat circles, hence what was written.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

There are genetic traits associated with intelligence.

Which is obviously true, since the genetic traits of BEING A HUMAN quite strongly correlate with intelligence.

There's no way to say the quiet part without saying it out loud here!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

zero distribution is what they got, the day sense and awareness were handed out

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

Woow, TIL. I thought he was halfway decent from the way he flatly called sailer a racist (low bar I know), but his consistent fraternization with Hannania seemed strange to me.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

Is "informed experts" really an accurate description to use over "other racists?"