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Ireland, Spain and Norway to recognise Palestinian state (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Ireland, Spain and Norway have announced they will formally recognise a Palestinian state on 28 May, triggering an immediate response from Israel, which said it would retaliate by recalling its ambassadors from Dublin, Madrid and Oslo, and withholding vital funds from the Palestinian Authority.

The three European governments made the long-awaited announcements in coordinated moves on Wednesday morning that they said were intended to support a two-state solution and foster peace in the Middle East.

“We are going to recognise Palestine for many reasons and we can sum that up in three words: peace, justice and consistency,” Spain’s prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, told the parliament in Madrid, to applause. “We have to make sure that the two-state solution is respected and there must be mutual guarantees of security.”

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Hopefully this is a step toward dismantling the brutal apartheid regime that has colonised Palestine for 76 years.

[+] [email protected] -27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

... What?

[+] [email protected] -11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

They are saying they hope it will lead to the end of Israel.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago

Or at a minimum, getting Israel out of the internationally recognized Palestinian Territories (West bank, Gaza) and allowing Palestinians to self-rule.

[+] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

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[+] [email protected] -9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

No one said that, dipshit.

Dismantle verb

To get rid of a system or organization, usually over a period of time:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/dismantle

Basically everyone wants either two-states based on 1967 borders or Israel to give Palestinians equal rights and create a single, secular democracy

Except this guy specifically said he hopes the current Israel is dismantled. At best they could be hoping that Israel changes into a better government, but I don't think that's their meaning.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

dismantling the brutal apartheid regime

No where does that say dismantling Israel.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

that has colonised Palestine for 76 years.

So who are they talking about then?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Dismantling Israel as an apartheid state and replacing it with a secular binational state that has equal rights for Palestinians and Israelis?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Well that can't be what he thinks, I listed that as an option in my original response

Except this guy specifically said he hopes the current Israel is dismantled. At best they could be hoping that Israel changes into a better government, but I don’t think that’s their meaning.

But he clearly said

No where does that say dismantling Israel.

So what entity which has colonized Palestine for 76 years, but isn't the current Israel does he mean?

EDIT: Words have meaning, if the words you use don't mean what you mean, then admit that you used the wrong words and be more clear or else people must assume you mean what you say. Coming in after the OP and attributing meaning that they didn't give doesn't suddenly change what they said. A reminder, the original post was;

Hopefully this is a step toward dismantling the brutal apartheid regime that has colonised Palestine for 76 years."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Dismantling the regime. If someone said we need to eliminate the Chinese Communist regime, would you think they want to destroy the entirety of China?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

So you do agree that Israel is a colonizer country?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That's an intrepretation only possible if you ignore most of that post.

The logical interpretation after reading the entire post is that they hope this will lead to the end of Appartheid in Israel.

Or are you saying that there is no possible way for Israel to exist either than as an ultra racist etnostate that systemically discriminates against a part of its population based on their etnicity? Because that's the only way you could logically claim that Israel without Appartheid would not exist.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Israel, which said it would retaliate by recalling its ambassadors from Dublin, Madrid and Oslo, and withholding vital funds from the Palestinian Authority.

The Israeli government (and many but not all Israeli people) will seize on any excuse they can to punish the Palestinian Authority and the Palestinian people at this point. So tying such actions to the recent decisions of Ireland, Norway, Spain, or whoever else is very disingenuous.

They want all the Palestinians to suffer, and preferably disappear forever. These punitive steps are just a means to that end.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Let them take their ambassadors, we have been asking for their expulsion for months. This is a win win for us.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I think it was smart enough to let them do the withdrawal instead of us doing the expulsion tbh. They look like they're having a tantrum now because of it.

You can't have a two state solution without two states. Calm down lads.

That Russian ambassador though.... I would very much like to see him kicked out. His justification of the invasion to Tubridy was disgusting to watch.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago

Ireland, Spain and Norway: thank you for your leadership

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I ❤️ Basedland! This is being human, recognizing in others the same struggle you went through and want to lend a helping hand.

DUBLIN — When Fatin Al Tamimi immigrated to Ireland in 1988, she felt like hers was the only hijab on the streets of Dublin. There weren't many other Arabs or Muslims in Ireland at that time. "People thought I was a nun! They were always like, 'Bless you, sister,'" the educator and activist recalls, laughing. But when her mostly white, Irish Catholic neighbors learned she was Palestinian, she says they were immediately supportive. "They'd say, 'We know it all, we've been through that,' " Al Tamimi says. "I guess because of history, the way they were oppressed and colonized by the British. It's the same thing happening to the Palestinians." - NPR

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Great to see from these three countries.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Do so before The IDF wipes the entire fucking place(And everyone in it)out, once and for all

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

The only reason why these countries are not immediatelly sanctioned by the Biden Administration is because it would start a Trade War with the whole of the EU which would really fuck up the US and cause even more EU nations to do the same things as these three.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Israel just had to poke at the hive. Because russia'z invasion was going great. Now it's time for consequences.

Reminds us of Trump and the consequences he is facing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I wouldn't be surprised if Putin helped Bibi & Hamas kick off 10/7. It helps all 3 of their goals.