Smuggling weapons into other countries is a great way to ruin your own vacation.
this post was submitted on 24 May 2024
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This is the dumbest take. Most crimes require an element of intent. Using the same bag you use to take shooting or hunting is not intent to smuggle weapons. The quantities of the items found demonstrate no ill intent.
Just because you personally disagree with the 100 million gun owners doesn’t make this a moderate take. Imprisoning people for years because of a loose round in luggage is moronic politically and a waste of tax money.
Smuggling is always the smugglers fault.
That he’s an irresponsible gun owner too is just the cherry on top.
You keep using that word. It isn’t smuggling, it is forgetting a round of ammo in a bag. Your view on this is extreme. There is nuance in the world..
And this is why drug cartels use cute white women as mules - to skate by on "It's for personal use" excuses if they get caught.
He packed his own contraband in his own bag and brought it to a foreign country.
That’s the definition of smuggling.
No, it isn’t.
The Oxford dictionary definition:
smuggling noun
the illegal movement of goods into or out of a country. "cocaine smuggling has increased alarmingly"
You see how it says “illegal” there? In smuggling cases there has to be this other thing called “intent” for it to have been illegal.
If a Mexican gets some codeine at a Mexican pharmacy, forgets it in their bag, and flies into the USA we don’t pay tax money to imprison them for years. We take it, ban them, and send them back.
Why? Because they are careless, not smugglers.
But why would you ban them, if they didn't do anything illegal?
You basically confirm that it is illegal. Now it's just about the punishment.
The casual implication here that a round of ammo in your luggage doesn't imply you are an unsafe gun owner is insane. Lost rounds don't just happen, they are a sign that the person didn't account for all their ammo and secure it properly. There's no reason to give these people a pass.
You just completely switch the argument with a red herring.
It doesn't matter whether that person is a safe gun owner or not here. And a lost round of ammunition is such an armchair take it makes me question if you should even have an opinion on the subject...
A round of ammunition in your bag should not equate to years of prison, end of story.
I had a box of .22 rounds in my backpack that I was bringing back from the gun store. Lo and behold it was loose, and some had unknowingly fell into my bag. I didn't notice they were there for years until I did a deep clean of my backpack. No one counts throw-away ammunition.
“Responsible gun owner” right here, folks.
Good to see that Lemmy is becoming as toxic A wasteland as Reddit ever was.
- Armchairing ✅
- Personal attacks instead of attacking the arguments ✅
- Silent downvotes instead of actual discussion ✅
- Misrepresenting an anecdote ✅
All I did was provide an anecdote to show how easy it is to lose a round of ammunition. No one is strictly inventorying their .22 ammunition, it literally comes in boxes of loose rounds. Holes in the corners easily cause some to be misplaced during transportation. It's not common but it happens, and when it does you're not going to know, because, again, no one is inventorying their loose rounds.
Despite me calling out the armchair opinion, you decide that doubling down on the armchairness was more appropriate, and used an anecdote as a way to personally attack me, instead of my argument.
You made no attempt to actually address the point I was making, and instead took the easy route which is just personal attacks...
You can do better than that.
I didnt say it wasn’t irresponsible and I didnt say give them a pass. I said don’t give them years in prison for an honest harmless mistake. Maybe ban them from returning? Something less extreme…
They didn't get years in prison, look up "suspended sentence".
ammo
harmless
lol
Do you realize there are 5 cases already like this? Do you know why? Because this mistake is super common.
Do you realize that means this probably happened dozens of times a year before this recent change took effect? And that all those people in the past returned home with their ammo completely undetected by anyone, including themselves?
You know what something’s called when nobody even notices it happened?
Harmless. Absent of harm.
Do you realize there are 5 cases already like this? Do you know why? Because this mistake is super common.
Maybe it's common for Americans to be this lax with their weaponry?
I don't see the citizens of other countries making the same "common" mistake.
If this happened in the States, they would be imprisoned as well. No country is going to let that shit slide, champ.
Try getting busted entering the US with half a gram of weed stuck in some fold of your bag, and see how they treat you.
The article has been updated. It wasn't 52 months, it was 52 weeks. The person quoted misspoke.
Thank you. I'll correct the title.
Sounds like a lovely place to visit. Unarmed, naturally.