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You should see 52% of the first version of my code.

It doesn’t have to be right to be useful.

It's been a tremendous help to me as I relearn how to code on some personal projects. I have written 5 little apps that are very useful to me for my hobbies.

It's also been helpful at work with some random database type stuff.

But it definitely gets stuff wrong. A lot of stuff.

The funny thing is, if you point out its mistakes, it often does better on subsequent attempts. It's more like an iterative process of refinement than one prompt gives you the final answer.

Sometimes ChatGPT/copilot’s code predictions are scary good. Sometimes they’re batshit crazy. If you have the experience to be able to tell the difference, it’s a great help.

I'm a 10 year pro, and I've changed my workflows completely to include both chatgpt and copilot. I have found that for the mundane, simple, common patterns copilot's accuracy is close to 9/10 correct, especially in my well maintained repos.

It seems like the accuracy of simple answers is directly proportional to the precision of my function and variable names.

I haven't typed a full for loop in a year thanks to copilot, I treat it like an intent autocomplete.

Chatgpt on the other hand is remarkably useful for super well laid out questions, again with extreme precision in the terms you lay out. It has helped me in greenfield development with unique and insightful methodologies to accomplish tasks that would normally require extensive documentation searching.

Anyone who claims llms are a nothingburger is frankly wrong, with the right guidance my output has increased dramatically and my error rate has dropped slightly. I used to be able to put out about 1000 quality lines of change in a day (a poor metric, but a useful one) and my output has expanded to at least double that using the tools we have today.

Are LLMs miraculous? No, but they are incredibly powerful tools in the right hands.

Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

For someone doing a study on LLM they don’t seem to know much about LLMs.

They don’t even mention which model was used…

Here’s the study used for this clickbait garbage :

https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3613904.3642596

Ask "are you sure?" and it will apologize right away.

In the short term it really helps productivity, but in the end the reward for working faster is more work. Just doing the hard parts all day is going to burn developers out.

I worked for a year developing in Magento 2 (an open source e-commerce suite which was later bought up by Adobe, it is not well maintained and it just all around not nice to work with). I tried to ask some Magento 2 questions to ChatGPT to figure out some solutions to my problems but clearly the only data it was trained with was a lot of really bad solutions from forum posts.

The solutions did kinda work some of the times but the way it was suggesting it was absolutely horrifying. We're talking opening so many vulnerabilites, breaking many parts of the suite as a whole or just editing database tables. If you do not know enough about the tools you are working with implementing solutions from ChatGPT can be disasterous, even if they end up working.

Sure, but by randomly guessing code you'd get 0%. Getting 48% right is actually very impressive for an LLM compared to just a few years ago.

You forgot the "at least" before the 52%.

What's especially troubling is that many human programmers seem to prefer the ChatGPT answers. The Purdue researchers polled 12 programmers — admittedly a small sample size — and found they preferred ChatGPT at a rate of 35 percent and didn't catch AI-generated mistakes at 39 percent.

Why is this happening? It might just be that ChatGPT is more polite than people online.

It's probably more because you can ask it your exact question (not just search for something more or less similar) and it will at least give you a lead that you can use to discover the answer, even if it doesn't give you a perfect answer.

Also, who does a survey of 12 people and publishes the results? Is that normal?

For the upteenth time - an llm just puts words together, it isn't a magic answer machine.

Worth noting this study was done on gpt 3.5, 4 is leagues better than 3.5. I'd be interested to see how this number has changed

Probably more than 52% of what programmers type is wrong too

I wonder if the AI is using bad code pulled from threads where people are asking questions about why their code isn’t working, but ChatGPT can’t tell the difference and just assumes all code is good code.

I find it funny that thumbnail with a "fail" I'm actually surprised that it got 48% right.

It was pretty good for a while! They lowered the power of it like immortan joe. Do not be come addicted to AI

I use chatgpt semi-often... For generating stuff in a repeating pattern. Any time I have used it to make code, I don't save any time because I have to debug most of the generated code anyway. My main use case lately is making python dicts with empty keys (e.g. key1, key2... becomes "key1": "", "key2": "",...) or making a gold/prod level SQL view by passing in the backend names and frontend names (e.g. value_1, value_2... Value 1, Value 2,... Becomes value_1 as Value 1,...).