He wants it to go all the way to the supreme court so they can rule in his favor and further erode the separation of church and state. Fuck these assholes and this timeline...
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Honestly, I can't see how SCOTUS could rule in his favour. The US constitution clearly states that there is a seperation between church and state. For SCOTUS to rule in his favour would require them overturning the constitution itself.
Two things:
- Separation of Church and State is not codified into law
And
- 1A specifically says "Congress shall pass no law respecting any religion". They'll say this law was passed by a state, not congress. Ipso facto, they rule in his favor.
Also
- The current conservative SCOTUS doesn't care about precedent or the constitution and will rule however they want.
That whole "it only applies to Congress" angle is malarkey.
303 Creative v. Elenis: The 1st Amendment bars Colorado from forcing businesses to provide service that goes against their religious beliefs.
Shurtleff v. City of Boston: The City of Boston could not reject flying a Christian flag when it had open many other groups to fly different flags for various occasions.
Kennedy v. Bremerton School District: A school board wrongfully terminated a coach for praying on the field.
These are all recent cases too. Of course, that doesn't mean they won't find some different bullshit reason to say this is fine.
Man if they rule that states can discriminate based on religion, I look forward to all the left leaning states going in the total opposite direction.
They'll just agree with the lie that our country was founded on Judeo-Christian values and anything Christian is simply embracing our history.
The actual text concerning religion says that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…”. It’s arguable that requiring publicly funding schools to display a specific religions moral code is establishing their religious views as a standard others must follow.
The second part of that (prohibiting the free exercise thereof) is not affected. They are free to do whatever they want in their private homes and institutions. They just are not free to force those practices on others or other’s children. You don’t have the freedom to “exercise” if exercise means forcing your will on others. And anyone that thinks that should be the case is specifically calling to remove that constitutional freedom from our society.
It’s un-American… by definition…
but but but it's an historical document, not religious at all [wink wink to stage left]
Wouldn't the combo of the first amendment and the supremacy clause pretty neatly dismantle the new Louisiana law?
That would be correct in my opinion but nothing this court does can surprise me anymore, legal or not.
Re: 1, the concept of church/state separation is espoused by the First Amendment, if not explicitly stated as such. But as has been made clear, Roberts' SCOTUS has yet to miss a case dismantling that wall.
Re: 2, SCOTUS has held that amendments only apply to Congress unless they have been incorporated via the 14th out to the states. The First Amendment's restriction on state-endorsed religion was incorporated in a case from 1947 called Everson vs. Board of Education which means that if Congress can't create an official government religion, state legislatures can't either. Of course, what one SCOTUS decides another can overturn, so it's not out of the realm of possibility for Roberts' activist Court to remove the concept of incorporation altogether.
For SCOTUS to rule in his favour would require them overturning the constitution itself.
Nah, all they'd have to do is make up a bullshit interpretation that fits the political opinions of them and their billionaire friends. That's basically what the majority of them are there for to begin with.
The Constitution also clearly states that anyone who breaks their oath of office to commit treason against the country shall not hold political office unless cleared by 2/3rds majority in Congress. It's time to admit that the rules are all made up and the Constitution doesn't matter.
I read that in his voice.
The SCOTUS is thoroughly corrupt. We have three sitting justices who have been exposed as accepting bribes from parties with matters before the court, and we have two that are known to have committed perjury during their confirmation hearings.
There is zero accountability or recourse. We no longer live in a country with a rule of law.
I agree with this. I dont think this one was thought through. We shall see what the illegitimate court thinks. If they agree with him that should be our final line as a people.
The Constitution is just an interpretation of the teachings of the Founding Fathers. SCOTUS is the only body that has a direct line of communication to the Founding Fathers. We can rely on them to convey to the masses what the Founding Fathers truly intended.
(I think this is sarcasm, but I wouldn't be surprised if they used this logic)
I only acknowledge direct lines to dead ppl if they got stupid hats and a custom made vehicle and I don't see any supreme mobiles.
Thomas' RV was custom made by the guy who bribed him with it.
Haven't they already done that by using stuff that's in the constitution or any law?
Maybe youth weren't paying attention to the Dobbs decision where they ignored the 9th amendment entirely and half of the 14th.
The SCOTUS ruling on college loan forgiveness they simply said "we know the law explicitly says that you can do this but we don't like it so, no and we're not actually justifying this decision with any kind of criteria"
Why would Robert's Supreme Court care about the Constitution?
The Constitution specifically states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" which is probably going to mean SCOTUS will rule that it's okay because it's a STATE Congress and not the federal Congress specifically called out in the Constitution making a law respecting the establishment of a religion. This seems like a solid letter of the law but not the spirit sort of reading that christofacists want.
The US constitution clearly states that there is a seperation between church and state.
Unfortunately, I don't believe you'll find that wording in the constitution.
Exactly right... what should happen is that the Satanic Church, any Islam denomination, the Spaghetti Monster, etc should all start putting up their own billboards everywhere...
While SCOTUS is compromised, there is no point in playing their game
Just a heads up The Satanic Temple are the righteous group that litigates all these radical zealots. They don't believe in a literal Satan unlike the Church of Satan.
Church of Satan is also atheistic, although some may believe in magic and other energy work. Either way, neither group literally worships Satan. You might be thinking of the Order of Nine Angles.
Damnit Abed. Do not roll the dice.
Once they start allowing exceptions to separation of church and state it also tears down the door of free speech and allows people to be prosecuted for blasphemy or whatever nonsense actual witch hunting
Hey kids! There are lots of fun ways to break the 1st Commandment!
List of some random gods in order of importance
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Asherah
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Her husband Yahweh
I suggest we all start revering Ahura Mazda.
Zoom zoom
I can't Wait until the Supreme Court makes it LEGAL to Force Schools to post Satanic Text in EVERY classroom!
What about my religion? We have core tenants to existence...
1: Thou shall not bitch about what thou finds out, after thou fucketh around.
2: Thy Lord and Savior hath empowered thou to skip school and throw rocks at parked luxury SUVs without consequence.
3: Any other religious commandment system preceding or proceeding this system are an affront to thy mental sovereign, and must be vandalized or destroyed before any other task can be done.
If this goes the way he wants, he’ll also get the Seven Tenets everywhere the Ten Commandments are.
There's so many religions and so many rules. Let's just post them all.
We can create a new one with all of the rules!
You may be on to something, there…