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[–] [email protected] 125 points 3 months ago (23 children)

Anti-semitism used to mean “hatred of Jews”. Now it means “daring to question Israel’s murderous leaders”.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Also being anti-Zionist or anti-Israel doesn't mean being anti-Jews. Those are two distinct things. One, being Jew doesn't being being Zionish, second, being Israeli doesn't mean being Jewish.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But the leaders of Israel would love us all to conflate the two, and always encourage it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

It's amazing that people question being an anti-zionist. It's a straight-up fascist ideal. That should be the default setting of human beings.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 3 months ago (8 children)

They're violating the Olympic truce.

They banned Russia for it. Why not Israel?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Obviously, because being the target of a genocide 80 years ago gives you a free pass to do whatever you want forever. Russia's problem is that they've never been hit with a genocide themselves, so they don't get a free pass. /S

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

You know, all things aside, it's kinda sad people don't even remember anymore that the Nazis weren't just after Jews.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

It's funny that, if it was a numeric question, more Russians died in WW2 than Jews.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago (28 children)

If it's okay to exclude Russians from sport then it's okay to exclude Israelis.

If it's wrong to exclude Israelis then it's wrong to exclude Russians.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Exclude American then. What you guys did to my country was criminal

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (4 children)

There are quite large protests going on in Israel at the moment because a bunch of Israelis don't want Netanyahu and his cronies. What percentage of the population that is, I dunno, but IMO it's not negligible. Banning Israel from the games would be quite symbolic though, so I'm not sure where exactly I stand on the issue.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Think about it this way, would you be cool with apartheid South Africa? Or Nazi Germany? I don't know if they played in the games. But with hindsight I'm pretty sure, or at least hope, that most of us would answer with an emphatic NO. History will not look kindly on Israel. People say this issue is 'complicated'. The only reason it's complicated is because there are people trying to find common middle ground with genocide advocates, and of course it's going to be complicated, because finding common ground with a genocidal ideology when you are a moral person is fucking impossible.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nazi Germany hosted the games. But apartheid south Africa was not invited

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This made me laugh. Reality satirises itself

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Nazi Germany hosted the Olympics in 1936. They were still a vile regime but the war and the slaughter of jews hadn't started yet.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Israeli athletes could be made to compete under a neutral designation similar to Russian athletes.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Can we as a species fucking please stop being outraged when somebody says something that's absolutely crystal clear obvious from their point of view and not a surprise in the least?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (16 children)

That's because France and Germany have the largest Muslim populations in Europe. Turns out, they don't like their fellow man being murdered indiscriminately.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Or simply because genocide bad ? I'm not Muslim but would clearly welcome some sanctions

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (5 children)

There's a distinction between someone arguing whether or not Isrealis should be allowed to attend the games as part of a decision making process and this kind of statement after the decision has been made.

Israelis are competing in the Olympics, that decision was made.

So what does it accomplish when this guy says "Israelis aren't welcome here"? It's not influencing government policy, the decision has been made. So who is he trying to influence then? What is he trying to influence them to do?

For those that don't know history (or read articles) 11 Israeli athletes were killed in the 1972 Munich Olympics. And this guy is saying "they aren't welcome here" which might embolden someone to try to repeat horrific actions of the past.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 months ago (9 children)

Israel is an apartheid state, currently committing genocide. Why do they get to go to the Eurovision and the Olympics when Russia, another state engaging in genocide, don't? Israel doesn't deserve to go to the Olympics. It's really as simple as that.

Sometimes decisions are incorrect.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, Russia isn't out of the Olympics for any of the horrendous policies or the whole war thing, its because they dope like they breathe and got caught swapping samples headed to the lab. Israel hasn't tried any of that stuff (yet), so they're still A-OK 🙄

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

The commentators have repeatedly said Russia and Belarus are both banned this year due to the invasion of Ukraine.

Just, They dope like crazy but I guess in Olympic speak that just means they can't fly the Russian flag.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (12 children)

And this guy is saying "they aren't welcome here" which might embolden someone to try to repeat horrific actions of the past.

Israel is repeating those horrific actions right now.

And please don't respond with genocidal denial. I have no desire to read disgusting genocide justification.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Bulldozing settlements for 20 years may do that too, but Israel didn't care enough about repercussions to stop taking Palestinians land.

I get your point about the decision being made already, but to say no.criticism.is allowed because of something that happened 50 years ago is simply absurd.

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