That's what you get when you require users to get a new device in order to run newer software. I would gladly run the newest version, if I could just update my os, but since I can't, I will be running this old version for as long as I have to...
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The issue is how hardware manufacturers treat Android. Most 3rd party manufacturers take months if not years to update their under the hood BS to the latest Android, and they end support after 2 years. All the more reason to go with Pixel devices.
Also carriers they often take forever to update too
Here in Canada, carrier updates are a thing of 10 years ago
I wish Google could force them to upstream their device drivers into Linux mainline they you wouldn't need their shitty OEM kernels
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Meanwhile my 2018 model iPhone is running the newest iOS 18 beta... As much as I love android it seems like to get the best software support you pretty much have to be buying a pixel (or installing custom ROMs)
I'm still on android 12 (galaxy S10 from 2019). Why replace an OLED premium phone that's still lasting me all day with its battery with 6+ hours screen time and no scratches? And I don't even use battery protection options. Only a few months ago I had to enable battery saving mode, which I didn't use before at all.
If your phone has stopped getting security updates, then that is a big issue. Even if the phone is working fine. People are using their phones for banking, paying stuff, email, saving personal photos, etc. You dont want people hacking into your phone and an unpatched phone is an insecure phone.
Which is why samsung/google(and apple before them), have started offering 7 years of OS support. Modern phone hardware, especially flagship tier one, can last for a long time. Other than the battery degrading, the rest of the phone is still powerful enough for everything.
Hey you guys are not wrong. I just can't convince myself to buy a new 800 bucks phone for no real reason other than security updates. My ISP phone contract is just 5 bucks a month.
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There is no reason. Android 12 is not that different from 15 IMHO because the number and depth of the changes has dropped off significantly in resent years. Android is a mature OS that does what most users want it to do.
As time goes on you'll be exposed to more and more security vulnerabilities with no patches.
Nothing wrong with running an old phone but you should unlock it and put Lineage OS on or similar.
Yea fun thing about Samsung, they fucking hate you, they fucking hate me, their customers and anyone trying to get near their bootloader.
-Sent from Galaxy S23U
They should only be able to choose one of "lock device down against any low level changes" and "stop supporting device". If they want to end support (which was frankly not so great in the first place), they should be forced to open up the device.
It should come with an unlocked boot loader and you should have to pay extra to keep it locked.
Isn't that just a US problem?
No I think it's a Verizon problem lol
Then my banking app would stop working, it doesn't work on rooted phones.
This is tricky. Luckily mine works on custom ROMs so I've not had to fool safetynet for a while.
Does it still trip if you install a custom ROM and relock the bootloader, without rooting? I know there used to be packages to hide you had root and keep safetynet
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Tell Nokia to release android 13 or 14 for my device and I'll gladly run it.
Yeah, unlike Windows this isn't a user choice. It comes down to manufacturer support. I don't know what you do to make this better, especially in the context of newer Android updates being lighter on major user-facing features.
I'm also unclear on the exact technical details but there's probably a reason that lineageos and the other free androids out there are not easily installable but have to be customised to each device.
I'm pretty sure that reason is mostly manufacturers being dicks about this. So it could probably be fixed by mandating some kind of interoperability. OTOH the governments are probably happy that not more people are using degoogled devices
Whose mandate? Are you going to make a law saying you can't customize Google's base Android?
It's an open source OS, manufacturers offer crappy support because they want customizations and proprietary software but don't want to have to spend a bunch of engineering time to keep pace with Google's reference spec. Samsung does, but that's because they're the literal largest phone manufacturer on the planet.
But Google can't be out there saying you don't get to use Android code if you don't offer timely support for a decade. There's a reason years of security updates are now a declared selling point, the only force to drive it is market pressure. At most you could regulate that you HAVE to support swapping OSs on phones, but you can't just target that at Android and not Apple, and Apple would buy themselves a nuke to fight against that one.
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What Android version did your phone come with? I have a Nokia G20 that I use as a spare phone. It shipped with Android 11 and updated till 13.
I believe it shipped with 10 and I'm currently sitting on 12. Last security updates are from December 2023 so I'll probably have to switch sooner than later...
It's a Nokia 5.4
Edit: to be fair that's not too bad compared to other android vendors. It's actually pretty good. But being the cleanest pig in the mudpit isn't really the goal I want to achieve. I'd rather be actually clean.
HMD is now retiring Nokia branding for its own series of smartphones. They are launching the Crest lineup which, while in the same price range as the 5.4 or G20, doesn't offer any claimed Android upgrades.
The worst OEM I encountered was a company called Techno. Fantastic hardware for the price, but they delivered not a single Android upgrade, only security updates. Ironically, they even make foldables which are obviously much more expensive. I won't be surprised though if even they received Aryabhatta's number of upgrades.
Techno makes smartphones which have good hardware specs, marred by bad software support. For the equivalent Samsung or Nothing phone you would be paying a higher price.
I won't be surprised though if even they received Aryabhatta's number of upgrades.
Lol, I had to google just to make sure it meant zero.
Well I guess it's time to go Fairphone then. It's way more expensive than I'd like but honestly I'm so done replacing my phone because of software issues and not because the hardware wasn't serviceable anymore
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I'd really like someone to do an in-depth, but easy to understand, investigation into how much monthly system security updates and version upgrades actually contribute to the overall security of Android post-Mainline. There are so many different opinions about this online but very few are actually backed up by evidence. I genuinely don't give a shit about running behind on Android versions now from a features perspective, there is so little difference between them for my use case, but it does concern me that so many manufacturers are still miles behind on security patches and that newer versions of Android may contain significant security improvements. I'm not sure if that's actually a relevant concern though or if I'm being overly paranoid. How much does the user's behaviour contribute to security versus the policies of the manufacturer? I have so many questions about this topic but it never seems to get any detailed coverage beyond "bigger number is better".
Improvement is definitely happening in the form of closing reported or discovered security holes, but in terms of security architecture and updating the design to be more resistant to unknown bugs? Android hasn't changed much in the past few years.
While the new features may not matter to you, it makes devices much harder to develop for. This is one reason why Android versions of apps are worse compared to the same app on iOS.
But like you, security updates are very important to me. If I were ever going to switch to Android, Iβd only consider getting a pixel. And I wonβt consider that until it has a native desktop mode so I can essentially use it as my pc.
Are they worse? This seems outdated, but then, I haven't used an iOS phone as a daily driver, so maybe there's some magic making the iOS version of Google Maps so much better? I mean, it is true that it's harder to make Android apps, but a lot of that has to do with displays being arbitrary aspect ratios and resolutions across dozens of devices, more than anything else, at least if you're focusing on mainstream devices.
On the other issue, why not go Samsung? They are matching Google's "7 years of updates" thing and they DO have a pretty solid native desktop mode. I don't use Samsung devices these days for other reasons, but if that's the bar, I think they're meeting it.
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This is one reason why Android versions of apps are worse compared to the same app on iOS.
I watched a random video recently where an iPhone user tried to use an Android phone (a Z Flip 5) for a week and was surprised by how significant some of the differences between apps were. Like Instagram had entire features completely missing on Android that really annoyed her. Having never used Instagram, I had no idea feature parity was still that bad between the two operating systems when it came to mainstream apps like that. However, it's understandable I'd be so out of the loop because basically all my apps for the last few years have been FOSS and exclusive to Android and no one I know owns an iPhone so there has been no direct comparison for me to make.
Just switched from an iPhone 12 to a Pixel 8 and did not really notice any degradation in quality. I did miss native outlook.com support but other than that I only noticed that I can now use Firefox with real extensions. Everything else was on par.
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d really like someone to do an in-depth, but easy to understand, investigation into how much monthly system security updates and version upgrades actually contribute to the overall security of Android post-Mainline.
Quite curious too
Okay, can these percentages be aligned to the number of Android devices in active use that support the OS?
Because I would hazard a guess that some 70% of people do not have an android phone that even supports updating to the new OS.
I think that's the point of what these statistics mean. This is an indictment on manufacturers not pushing the latest OS updates more than people not accepting the latest OS updates when they're available.
Just wait until they find out about windows 10
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